Where is Gen. Dyer when you need him
The group declared: “We hereby request all Muslims in the United Kingdom, in Manchester, Leeds, Cardiff, Glasgow and all other places to join us and collectively declare that as submitters to Almighty Allah, we have had enough of democracy and man-made law and the depravity of the British culture.“On this day we will call for a complete upheaval of the British ruling system its members and legislature, and demand the full implementation of Shari’ah in Britain.” daily express via the flea
At some point the British pot will boil. Not yet, but soon.
October 17th, 2009 at 5:27 am
So Rousas John Rushdoony has counterparts. Who knew?
A spokesman for the Islamic Society of Britain said: “99.999 per cent of Muslims despise these people. This only serves to fuel racial tensions.”
What, was this not worth mentioning?
The demo will be a damp squib, and those fanning the flames on this side of the divide will have to look for other tinder. Maybe the Flea can go back to his “Manchurian President” nonsense. Let go of your pearls, Jay, or you’ll choke.
October 17th, 2009 at 8:27 am
let me guess…would it be golden temple dyer ?
as the old saying has it…..”there’s no problem that can’t be solved with 18 inches of cold Sheffield steel.”...mounted men with lances would be nice as well….jihadist as chota peg….
October 17th, 2009 at 8:53 am
You realize that you are likely to promote hatred and contempt by this post.
What was interesting was the CBC report going to great lengths to describe the protesters as a small group.
Since muslims were against Bush, but Bush isn’t there anymore, is it alright to hate muslims?
Derek
October 17th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Ah Yes – integration and multiculturalism at its best.
The ‘religion of pieces’ is showing daily the true intent.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I hope you are right as to the demo being a damp squib, Dawg.
October 17th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Well, me too, Jay.
October 17th, 2009 at 10:46 am
On an encouraging note, the Islamofascists were only able to muster around 20-30 bods to protest Geert Wilders.
October 17th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
“Britain’s leading moderate Muslim organisation has challenged Communities and Local Government Secretary John Denham over his claim that government money was not being used to fund groups and institutions promoting radical Islamist ideology.”...JI supported the establishment of the Hudood ordinance in Pakistan, which introduced “sharia” punishments for extramarital sex, including stoning. As a result, human rights groups reported women who had been raped being incarcerated under the law if they failed to provide Muslim witnesses.”
The Quilliam Foundation will raise its concerns about a number of prominent organisations in Britain with links to JI which receive government funding. These include the Islamic Society of Britain, UK Islamic Mission, the London Muslim Centre and Da’awatul Islam.”
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£90m anti-terrorism project is fanning the flames of extremism
“The report draws particular attention to groups influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood in the Middle East and by Jamaat e-Islami in Pakistan and Bangladesh and suggests funding them would be similar to providing government funds to the BNP to fight fascism.
Among the examples it cites are Islamist-influenced organisations such as the Muslim Council of Britain, the United Kingdom Islamic Mission, and the Islamic Society of Britain. ”
October 17th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
“A spokesman for the Islamic Society of Britain said: “99.999 per cent of Muslims despise these people. This only serves to fuel racial tensions.”
Exactly; that’s the whole point of the exercise. You’d think some commenters here were AWOL during the 70’s and 80’s.
Instigate an incident and then whine to the “99.999%” how badly mistreated you ALL are. Slowly but surely you’ll whittle that number down.
(Re the 99.999%; what, they did a poll?!)
October 17th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Wilders and the demonstrators are a great model of social symbiosis, or more accurately, mutual parasitism. Publicity seeking extremists at the edge really need each other, don’t they?
I assume the fine folks here who decry state censorship take exception to Mr. Wilder’s call for a ban on the Koran?
October 17th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
“Maybe the Flea can go back to his “Manchurian President” nonsense. Let go of your pearls, Jay, or you’ll choke.”
A wee bit myopic there, Doc. The Flea sees Muslims in Britain the same way you see conservative protesters in the US: as a threat. How is his notion of violence in the streets of Britain any more ludicrous than your notion that Obama will be assassinated by the Right before his term is complete? Maybe you should take your own advice vis-a-vis the pearls?
October 17th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
“On this day we will call for a complete upheaval
of the British ruling system its members and legislature,”!!
Get in line fellas…
October 17th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
I continue to wrestle with where to draw the line on dealing with so called hate speech – whether to go with Levant / Steyn and say anything goes unless the criminal code is breached or whether to allow [effective and fair] state intervention short of the criminal code. Before anyone reacts, be it known that I have no doubts that the process we have now is a train wreck. But, this is an excellent example to help clarify the debate.
Like the US Supreme Court Justice (forget which one – Douglas??) said when asked to define pornography: “I’ll know it when I see it”, this to me is hate speech.
Mr Choudary has said that under sharia law in Britain people who commit adultery would be stoned to death, adding that “anyone who becomes intoxicated by alcohol would be given 40 lashes in public”.
So, if this were Canada, how would it be handled?
-HRCs should deal with it under our existing laws as it sure is ‘likely to cause hate’. Whether they would do this objectively is not germane here;
-HRCs should target both Anjem Choudary and his organization as the purveyors of hate just as they prosecuted Taylor. And prior to 2008, HRCs should have tackled The Sunday Express also as reporters of hate speech just as they did Levant and Steyn (assuming what Steyn and Levant reported was hate speech);
At the moment, I assume they couldn’t be charged under our criminal code as this is ‘precrime’. And I assume also that it is the same in Britain but the Home Office is sure stretching the logic:A Home Office spokesman said: “Everyone has the right to express their view so long as it is done sensibly, without violence and does not incite religious hatred.”
Questions for home study:
-Is this a case where experience and commonsense dictate action ahead of time to prevent violence?
The chap who stops his buddy who says: “Let’s go down to the movies and yell fire”;
The West Jet crew who denied boarding to a passenger who said: “Have an explosive day” – Ottawa Citizen Oct 17, 2009.
-Should a demonstration permit be denied for Oct 31, which will create loud protests but, I assume, give legal grounds to the police for tight control and preventative measures if a march is held without said permit?
-Should the march be allowed to happen and controlled (one hopes), which is the likely scenario given the prediction that it will be a ‘damp squib’?
-What should the authorities do if anyone is hurt or killed?
I suggest there is a clear and present risk of injury or death to march attendees of all persuasions but I think it could be argued that Anjem Choudary did not make a death threat per se, he is only promoting sharia law whose strict dictates include stoning. Therefore the criminal code would not apply and Ezra would [be forced to] defend Anjem Choudary and risk the violence.
To me this defines the conundrum.
N
October 17th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
“chota pegs” indeed.
http://www.historyofrights.com/events/gastown.html
The good old days sigh...
October 18th, 2009 at 3:35 am
When the Nazi’s first started, I bet 99% of Germans said they did not support them either, these extreme movements tend to take on a life of their own. If a small extreme right wing group had said that all Muslims should be deported, I bet the lefties would not be dismissing them, as they are these extremists.
October 18th, 2009 at 9:57 am
daninvan
i was there….and i personally wreaked a terrible condign retribution on then Mayor tom terrific….
yup !...them WERE the days !
October 18th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Balbucan: But of course, assuming he was serious in his assertions that the Koran should be banned.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I think the “Pubs under Shari’a” feature might spark some backlash.
Till then, here’s “Trafalgar Square under the Shariah“...
http://www.islam4uk.com/non-muslims/62-non-muslims/354-trafalgar-square-under-the-shariah
Fun times.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:46 am
The men in the video are the kind of Muslims or Islamists that Politicians fawn over, the progressive Muslim Organization get ignored whilst the British Politiicans pander and appease those freaks and fanatics. High Treason use to be a crime now we give them permits to spread incitement to hate, but it’s okay if they spread their filthy inferior cultural dogma and ethos that’s what Multiculture Policies were designed to do.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:46 am
So, 39.999% changed their minds, eh? And all that in only 3 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia19.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/19/ixportaltop.html
October 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Jay: On an encouraging note, the Islamofascists were only able to muster around 20-30 bods to protest Geert Wilders.
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And for that they banned him from entering the country. Talk about cowardice.
October 18th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
DaninVan, here’s a little poll from a year ago, of Muslim attitudes in the Islamic world. As you can see, the numbers are somewhat different.
October 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Balb logic:
Radical Muslims demonstrate in the street while shouting slogans that call for the overthrow of their host country citing their Religion of Peace for the justification.
Dutch politician produces a film that shows passages from the Koran which inspire and support said radical Muslims in both their beliefs and their tactics.
Both are on the radical fringe, on opposite sides of course.
October 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Neil, based on your example, the CHRC could not possibly intervene as so far as I know, adulterers and drunkards are not considered to be amongst those minorities that require special protection. Though I imagine a case might be made if the drunkard was also an alcoholic (disability).
I’d not be unhappy, however to see Choudary charged with sedition since what has been advocating for quite some time is an overthrow of a democratically elected government. This is the face of political Islam in the hands of an Islamo-fascist.
And no, I don’t think the Qur’an should be banned any more than I think any other religious or philosophical text should be banned. Open to criticism, challenge, dispute, yes.
October 18th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
what would gwynne dyer do …?
October 18th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Louise; not for a minute have I doubted the real numbers. Events in the UK over the past few years suggest solid backing for jihad. Hell, they’re winning!
John Begley; you didn’t vote for him?! ;)
His mistake in Gastown was the timing. Catching West side movers and shakers in his manufactured riot ranks right up there in bonehead political mistakes. People remember the Gastown riot but forget the English Bay riot a few days later.
October 19th, 2009 at 12:32 am
danivan…
aintcha the least bit innarested in the condign punishment i personally meted out to tom terrific for riding me down with his horses ?...i felt positively Socratean(a story..one of the few factual stories about Socrates ..vid Hanson) as they rode by and decided I wasn’t the hippy they felt like fucking over..
October 19th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Yes John, yes I am! (You sure this won’t get you labeled as a terrorist?)...;)
ps…I had to look up ‘condign’; never heard the expression before.
October 19th, 2009 at 10:26 am
daninvan….
it was like this…i was out for dinner some years(perhaps three) after the incident…some toney place downtown and retired to the restrooms to make water….and who do you think was standing at the next urinal ?...yes…it were tom terrific..and he was lit up like an ocean liner as he usually was in them halcyon days…he was standing there bobbing and weaving like floyd patterson trying to keep his aim steady yet not actually fall into the convenience…..
so i micturated over his shoes…(highly polished brogues…kiwi brown…)
October 19th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
My favorite Tom Terrific story is how, in the very early 1960’s he developed an apartment building at the southern end of the Burrard Street Bridge. It was approved for six stories. He went ten or twelve and paid the $200 maximum fine levied at the time for such infractions.
October 19th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
alright now…i micturated on tom’s shoes and i was once asked years ago by a sitting premier of a certain province AND ex-mayor of a cetain city if i would give him a ‘joint’ so he could try some of this ‘pot’ everyone was talking about…
strange but true…i believe me and my bud who was his future brother in law told the young lad(we could clearly see he had a political future)to ‘stay away from drugs kid…do yourself a favour….it’s a mug’s game”...
October 19th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Excellent! “Remember me Tom? No? Well piss on ya..” ;)