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	<description>One Damn Thing Leads to Another</description>
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		<title>By: el Ricardo the smooth</title>
		<link>http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/unbelievable/#comment-40305</link>
		<dc:creator>el Ricardo the smooth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 19:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are several highly questionable things associated with the Lemire transcript: first, the transctipt policy change in mid-case; second, the policy change put into effect just in time for a hearing that could and did go very badly for the CHRC; and third, the transcript was apparently leaked - not sold, not ordered from the transcription company, but peddled anonymously like some sleazy divorce court evidence in a back alley to a reporter who was then supposed to shine up the Commission's image. This is literally sickening. The commission is not only operating under a flawed mandate, it is seriously flawed itself.  What it does is wrong.  The way it operates is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are several highly questionable things associated with the Lemire transcript: first, the transctipt policy change in mid-case; second, the policy change put into effect just in time for a hearing that could and did go very badly for the CHRC; and third, the transcript was apparently leaked - not sold, not ordered from the transcription company, but peddled anonymously like some sleazy divorce court evidence in a back alley to a reporter who was then supposed to shine up the Commission&#8217;s image. This is literally sickening. The commission is not only operating under a flawed mandate, it is seriously flawed itself.  What it does is wrong.  The way it operates is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: WL Mackenzie Redux</title>
		<link>http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/unbelievable/#comment-40292</link>
		<dc:creator>WL Mackenzie Redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 15:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why worry about process when justice is not the sought outcome?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why worry about process when justice is not the sought outcome?</p>
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		<title>By: truewest</title>
		<link>http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/unbelievable/#comment-40291</link>
		<dc:creator>truewest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 14:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually James, the silence from the left arises from the fact that the right has got its knickers in a knot over nothing. Anyone -  party or non party -- had the ability to order transcripts made from the digital recording of the proceedings before the tribunal that day. Apparently, only the CHRC chose to do so, likely because their conduct was the subject of the hearing. They are under no legal obligation to pass out copies or make the transcript available generally. If Lemire or Ezra or anyone else wants a copy, they can call up StenoTran, the reporting service, and get one. (Subsequent copies are generally cheaper than the first, for obvious reasons). 

Ezra's suggestion that this is like the police making a transcript of proceedings in a criminal case on a day when the court reporter doesn't show is laughable. If Ezra paid attention when he was in court -- he claims to be a practicing lawyer or so he claims -- he would have noticed court reporters are a rarity, only used if the parties need real-time transcipts. Court use tape - and have used for some tape for some time. Even sillier is the notion that a court would proceed without a record or would allow an interested party create the official records. 

There is a legitimate debate about limits on speech in human rights statutes,  but this braying about procedural irregularities from people unfamiliar with the procedural aspects of administrative tribunals (and some particularly loud braying from folks like Levant, who should know better) is a ridiculous sideshow. So is Jay's call for a judicial inquest, which is based on unproven allegations from suspect sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually James, the silence from the left arises from the fact that the right has got its knickers in a knot over nothing. Anyone -  party or non party &#8212; had the ability to order transcripts made from the digital recording of the proceedings before the tribunal that day. Apparently, only the CHRC chose to do so, likely because their conduct was the subject of the hearing. They are under no legal obligation to pass out copies or make the transcript available generally. If Lemire or Ezra or anyone else wants a copy, they can call up StenoTran, the reporting service, and get one. (Subsequent copies are generally cheaper than the first, for obvious reasons). </p>
<p>Ezra&#8217;s suggestion that this is like the police making a transcript of proceedings in a criminal case on a day when the court reporter doesn&#8217;t show is laughable. If Ezra paid attention when he was in court &#8212; he claims to be a practicing lawyer or so he claims &#8212; he would have noticed court reporters are a rarity, only used if the parties need real-time transcipts. Court use tape - and have used for some tape for some time. Even sillier is the notion that a court would proceed without a record or would allow an interested party create the official records. </p>
<p>There is a legitimate debate about limits on speech in human rights statutes,  but this braying about procedural irregularities from people unfamiliar with the procedural aspects of administrative tribunals (and some particularly loud braying from folks like Levant, who should know better) is a ridiculous sideshow. So is Jay&#8217;s call for a judicial inquest, which is based on unproven allegations from suspect sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Hank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 14:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.  Utterly disgraceful.  And the bar associations and the rest of the "justice" system lay low -- it's inspiring in a sick way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along.  Utterly disgraceful.  And the bar associations and the rest of the &#8220;justice&#8221; system lay low &#8212; it&#8217;s inspiring in a sick way.</p>
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		<title>By: James Goneaux</title>
		<link>http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/unbelievable/#comment-40227</link>
		<dc:creator>James Goneaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 02:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The silence from the left is understood due to embarrassment, but it is deafening, isn't it?

If a small-time drug dealer had to fight such a corrupt and outright incompetent system, there would probably already be a CBC mini-series and an award-winning Toronto Star article...

It seems the CHRC probably didn't start out to make Lemire a martyr, but they are making it easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The silence from the left is understood due to embarrassment, but it is deafening, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>If a small-time drug dealer had to fight such a corrupt and outright incompetent system, there would probably already be a CBC mini-series and an award-winning Toronto Star article&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems the CHRC probably didn&#8217;t start out to make Lemire a martyr, but they are making it easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Blaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Blaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah. Better to spend time and resources on re-opening more urgent cases of injustice. Like Mumia, the Rosenbergs, and if the budget permits, Sacco and Vanzetti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah. Better to spend time and resources on re-opening more urgent cases of injustice. Like Mumia, the Rosenbergs, and if the budget permits, Sacco and Vanzetti.</p>
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