Comments on: The Liar Kinsella misses the point…again http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/ One Damn Thing Leads to Another Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:30:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Blazingcatfur http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27976 Blazingcatfur Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:31:48 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27976 It is my understanding that ISP's such as Rogers are required to keep records for some years. That will ultimately tell the tale. As for the CJC, well Warren's references and the Len Rudner letter itself are so vague that I suspect they are meaningless. This is as Jay states merley push-back - long a tactic of Kinsella, threats, bluster etc are all part of his playbook. As for Warren's contention to consider the source, well if the shoe fits as they say;) There is a lot at stake here, for all of us, but especially for the CHRC & Warman, even the CJC will look bad, it is no small wonder that we see Warren's bluster. It is my understanding that ISP’s such as Rogers are required to keep records for some years. That will ultimately tell the tale. As for the CJC, well Warren’s references and the Len Rudner letter itself are so vague that I suspect they are meaningless. This is as Jay states merley push-back – long a tactic of Kinsella, threats, bluster etc are all part of his playbook.

As for Warren’s contention to consider the source, well if the shoe fits as they say;)

There is a lot at stake here, for all of us, but especially for the CHRC & Warman, even the CJC will look bad, it is no small wonder that we see Warren’s bluster.

]]> By: jay http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27966 jay Wed, 23 Jan 2008 04:36:03 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27966 Dawg, that the CJC is backing Warman is not a huge surprise. Nor is it determinative. As I recall they gave him some sort of award for his anti-neo-Nazi "work". The more interesting question is whether Warman is willing to let fly the paper. George, libel is a civil action and no one is "guilty". Should Warman decide to sue he opens himself to detailed Discovery and part of that discovery would be an examination of his billing records and the ip assignments on the relevant dates as provided by his ISP. It appears that the last time people got access to those records a part of a CHRC complaint was "disappeared". What we're seeing is pushback. People like the liar Kinsella - by his own admission a Lenin fanboy - consider pushback - with sly little sentences - a part of Kick Ass politics. We'll see what happens when the spin has settled. Dawg, that the CJC is backing Warman is not a huge surprise. Nor is it determinative. As I recall they gave him some sort of award for his anti-neo-Nazi “work”.

The more interesting question is whether Warman is willing to let fly the paper.

George, libel is a civil action and no one is “guilty”. Should Warman decide to sue he opens himself to detailed Discovery and part of that discovery would be an examination of his billing records and the ip assignments on the relevant dates as provided by his ISP. It appears that the last time people got access to those records a part of a CHRC complaint was “disappeared”.

What we’re seeing is pushback. People like the liar Kinsella – by his own admission a Lenin fanboy – consider pushback – with sly little sentences – a part of Kick Ass politics.

We’ll see what happens when the spin has settled.

]]> By: jay http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27942 jay Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:47:19 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27942 I'm on the road and will only be checking in sporadically I’m on the road and will only be checking in sporadically

]]> By: jay http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27941 jay Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:46:51 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27941 George, while it is possible to alter the ip data base that still leaves the question of why the complaint was dropped as soon as the IP addresses were sought. George, while it is possible to alter the ip data base that still leaves the question of why the complaint was dropped as soon as the IP addresses were sought.

]]> By: George Healy http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27933 George Healy Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:15:34 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27933 It's not hard to alter the contents of a database to achieve matching IPs. The source of this allegation is suspect. And, according to Canada's libel law, those who make these claims are guilty until they prove their innocence. Their credibility is very much an issue. I'm having a hard time understanding why this claim is considered credible given the source. It’s not hard to alter the contents of a database to achieve matching IPs. The source of this allegation is suspect.

And, according to Canada’s libel law, those who make these claims are guilty until they prove their innocence. Their credibility is very much an issue.

I’m having a hard time understanding why this claim is considered credible given the source.

]]> By: Anonymous http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27895 Anonymous Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:43:59 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27895 You're sounding quite a bit like a big ol' liar yourself lately, Jay. The issue is, you trusted evidence without first ascertaining whether it had been falsified or not. That's a big no-no. You’re sounding quite a bit like a big ol’ liar yourself lately, Jay. The issue is, you trusted evidence without first ascertaining whether it had been falsified or not.

That’s a big no-no.

]]> By: elixelx http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27886 elixelx Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:10:45 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27886 So if "good men don't lie" that makes you....what? So if “good men don’t lie” that makes you….what?

]]> By: Dr.Dawg http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27881 Dr.Dawg Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:26:46 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27881 Jay: The Canadian Jewish Congress says the charge is not on. Frankly, I find that compelling. Whether you like Warren Kinsella or not is not the issue at this point. If the charge turns out to be bogus, a lot of paper is going to fly. Jay:

The Canadian Jewish Congress says the charge is not on. Frankly, I find that compelling. Whether you like Warren Kinsella or not is not the issue at this point. If the charge turns out to be bogus, a lot of paper is going to fly.

]]> By: Kathy Shaidle http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27867 Kathy Shaidle Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:09:52 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27867 Normally I'm all for playing "consider the source". And I have no time for anti-semites. But ISP addresses are ISP addresses, no matter who discovers them. I know this sort of technical stuff is over Kinsella's head (heck, it is a bit over mine). But come on. Facts are facts. Normally I’m all for playing “consider the source”. And I have no time for anti-semites. But ISP addresses are ISP addresses, no matter who discovers them.

I know this sort of technical stuff is over Kinsella’s head (heck, it is a bit over mine). But come on. Facts are facts.

]]> By: Hans http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27864 Hans Mon, 21 Jan 2008 18:34:21 +0000 http://jaycurrie.info-syn.com/the-liar-kinsella-misses-the-pointagain/#comment-27864 Note how he twists facts in order to draw the smear out further: (a) it is not enough that a person relies on sources, but that person has to be characterized as a "hater"; (b) and it is not enough that a person is relying on Lemire and Klatt, he has to go beyond the facts and say that the person regards them as experts; (c) the final shot is that not only are these persons hateful fools, but if some reader out there believes any of it, then they are a hateful fool too. Warren is not interested in truth; he is interested in bullying or manipulating people into toeing the line. Note how he twists facts in order to draw the smear out further: (a) it is not enough that a person relies on sources, but that person has to be characterized as a “hater”; (b) and it is not enough that a person is relying on Lemire and Klatt, he has to go beyond the facts and say that the person regards them as experts; (c) the final shot is that not only are these persons hateful fools, but if some reader out there believes any of it, then they are a hateful fool too. Warren is not interested in truth; he is interested in bullying or manipulating people into toeing the line.

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