That was then, this is now
The Jackal is outraged at the CPC noting that the Liberals have not been terribly friendly to Israel as of late…Well, at least he, if not the Liberal Party and its leader is consistent.
Of course, being the Lying Jackal the post has been scrubbed from his site.
(h/t Abraham in my comments)
Update: Poor Iggy, poor Jackal – Ezra’s been digging.
When I looked down at the West Bank, at the settlements like Crusader forts occupying the high ground, at the Israeli security cordon along the Jordan river closing off the Palestinian lands from Jordan, I knew I was not looking down at a state or the beginnings of one, but at a Bantustan, one of those pseudo-states created in the dying years of apartheid to keep the African population under control. Michael Ignatieff the guardianNow this is the sort of thing which the CJC is arguing before the Parliamentary Committee on Anti-Semitism wants to make illegal.
Lots of Jewish votes are marching out the door. Which explains why the Lying Jackal is in full spin mode.
Update 2: Skippy Stalin, a more patient man than I, has the full, serpentine, meanderings of Iggy on things Israeli. I am still dizzy.
November 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Iggy got it right back then, and it holds true today. Cat’s got his tongue now, though, as he goes into hiding in the hinterlands.
Here’s the magnanimous bargain offered by Israel that the innately-evil “Palis” turned down (citing Harry at my place, where he drinks my wine, scatters cigar ash all over the floor, plays his accordion at three in the morning, and calls me names):
Then in 2000 as now, the deal breaker has been that Palestine would have to be a demilitarized state, and that Israel would still control air and water space and have a say in Palestine’s international political alliances. All this strictly for security reasons.
Bophuthatswana, anyone?
November 19th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
This is the most fun I’ve had in awhile. I gotta get out more.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
I have to imagine that the non-religious person would not even wish to hear the religious argument in this matter—but let’s face facts, there would be no “Israeli-Palestinian conflict” without a religious context.
Where else on earth could people return after a general absence of two thousand years (I know, a few stayed behind) and reclaim the territory on the basis of divine decree?
In my own case, this would be like emigrating to Saxony rather than Canada (from England) and asking the locals to disarm and give me their land.
This is pretty much the opposite scenario of World War II, and we all know how that turned out.
If one believes (as I do) that the Jews are a special case and that their claim on Israel is a special claim, then unfortunately, all the secular wisdom in the world (and who has more than Iggy?) falls apart in the face of an entirely different source of authority.
The Palestinians have been given numerous chances to take what amounts to the best offer they could expect, but they insist on playing the situation as though it were only subject to human law and custom, and of course in doing that, they risk finding out that the other, competing paradigm is NOT just some self-serving national myth (as the non-religious person would suppose) but the real deal.
Lots of other people have tested this paradigm out in the past. They have all lost.
November 20th, 2009 at 1:11 am
Bophuthatswana, anyone?
Isn’t that near Vosloorus?
November 20th, 2009 at 3:31 am
Most liberal beliefs about the prospects for peaceful coexistence of Israel and Palestine are nothing more than wishful thinking, the application of their dream-state multiculturalist fantasies to an even more complex situation that totally avoids being so easily solved.
I don’t think it is anything more than sheer ignorance of human nature and the complexity of history and religion.
But there is a touch of hypocrisy in it; I don’t imagine that too many Liberals would be very happy with a “fair and just settlement” that took away all their summer homes in Muskoka and Haliburton, and gave them back to the native people who used to hunt and fish throughout that elitist playground.
But they think nothing of expecting the Jews to do the same thing.
Canadian social justice is something best applied to people well removed from our borders, I have come to understand—or at least Alberta.
November 20th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Arnie – you and me both…
November 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
The fun had to end – a sad ending…sniff. From Jackels own site and reported on Ezra’s:
“My focus, and this wee website’s, will therefore turn more to municipal and provincial politics – and punk rock, and hockey rink philosophy, and the law, and bad puns, and clumsy alliterations, and the other stuff I like”.