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Steyn Follies - Act III - “The Court Marsupial”

We’re back. Coyne reports he has a dongle. A super, duper whooper dongle which allows his laptop to hook into the net from the bowels of the Robson Street Courthouse.

Coyne also reports that Faisal Joseph is promising a tour of the nastier bits of the blogosphere. Now what that can possibly have to do with an article published in Macleans beats him and me…but as I am still suffering from blog envy at Kathy being mentioned yesterday I can only hope I will make it to the bigs today.

Update 1: LOL Ezra: “How I wish this were in a real court, not a court marsupial, just to watch Joseph get smacked down.”

Update 2: Having been slapped down trying to enter as evidence a clipping of an article published prior to Steyn’s piece Ezra reports “Faisal Joseph wants to enter into evidence a study about Islamophobia.

A study about Islamophobia in the fifteen European Union countries.”

Perfect. It is quite apparent that Joseph really has no clue at all. He doesn’t know the rules even where there are no rules. What a waste of legal talent to have Julian Porter sitting through all of this. A competent articling student would be able to object to this crap.

From Coyne: “McConchie rising for the defense: “I think my friend’s memory may be a little imperfect.” The documents presented bear only a slight resemblance to the list of docs in the disclosure letter.”

Which in normal court would be the end of it….but this is the all seeing, all knowing BCHRT…”we don’t need your stinking procedure”.

Joseph is trying to enter studies of Islamophobia from the EU and Britain…I can’t help but think that some bien pensant Canadian professor or other will have written such a study about Canada. Yup, there is one about the needs of Muslim students in Canada which is a bit closer to the mark. Here’s a hint for Joseph’s researchers – Google.

Update 3: Ezra quoting McConchie “I accept this tribunal is not bound by the same rules as a regular court, but there are boundaries, there’s a minimal requirement to prove the authority of the document that’s submitted to the tribunal that is represented to be some sort of academic study, and that would ordinarily be done through an expert witness, and not a lay witness who happens to have seen it.”

No danger that the BCHRT will start demanding anything so official as an expert witness testifying to the authority of a particular bit of expert evidence. That sounds hard. These folks are all about soft.

Coyne and Ezra both report that McConchie is arguing about the lack of disclosure on the part of the Socks. I have no doubt that McConchie has a point but I can’t imagine that the Tribunal will take his point because it would call the entire slap dash, we have no rules, informality of the whole HRC system into question. Procedure, disclosure, expert evidence – are all concepts which imply a degree of formality. A rule of law as it were. The absence of that rule of law is seen as a feature by the HRC’s supporters.

Right on the mark: Joseph stands up and makes the argument that the rules of evidence are for the “appellate level”.

We’re on a break while the Tribunal tries to figure out this law, evidence and disclosure stuff. While they are head scratching (“experts”, “proper disclosure” who knew?) take a trip to Free Mark Steyn for the best round up of things Steynian on the planet.

Update 4: Coyne reports the Comission ruling: “The late disclosure is “unfortunate.” Disclosure did not meet rules, and was inadequate. But respondents could have sought further and better disclosure. Respondents’ interests will not be “prejudiced” by it.” Even a marsupial would be ashamed with this sort of legal nonsense. If disclosure is required to be made and isn’t the evidence cannot go in…Except at the BCHRT.

The respondent won’t be prejudiced because the respondent’s goose is already cooked. The UN report has no established relevance but that does not matter because relevance cannot matter to these clowns. Otherwise the gig would be up.

Update 5: Babs attacked. Now that the kangaroos have demonstrated they will allow pretty much anything in I suspect there is a dumptruck full of previously undisclosed “evidence” which will be backed up to the back door – evedince in this matter seems to go in the back door.

Update 6: It’s Fatwa Time “Awan has just given us his own ruling: it is no longer “appropriate” to use the word “Mohammedan”. Ever.” I suppose that includes Muzzie.

Update 7: While Awan testifies to the deficiencies – real or imagined – of Mark Steyn as a drama critic it is worth considering how badly this is all going for the whole human rights racket. They have had a day and a half of testimony from a largely unsympathetic character lead by a marvelously sloppy lawyer. They have had to bend the rules to allow evidence in. There has been next to no evidence germane to the complaint and, hey, the fun stuff, the cross-examination of this little twerp hasn’t even begun.

Update 8: Apparently Awan is now objecting to Babs having noted that the Muslims sacked the Library at Alexandria. This is, of course, what happens when a Tribunal simply drops the idea that evidence and testimony must be relevant to the matter before that Tribunal. Perhaps Joseph has one of Steyn’s laundry lists up his sleeve ready to spring on an unsuspecting defence.

Update 9: I’m crushed…the blogs mentioned are the Western Standard, Brussels Journal (lots of relevance there) and what Ezra describes as “a Catholic blog”... No cake for me ;(

But, hope springs eternal, McConchie has sprung to his feet and suggested to the ‘roos that Ezra’s post at the WS is “immaterial” to the proceedings. Ezra’s pissed. Don’t worry Ezra, on the prior evidence the ‘roos wouldn’t know immaterial if it hit them.

Update 10: Crazy McConchie is suggesting to the ‘roos that blogs in Brussels and Texas and Alberta are just the tiniest bit irrelevant to a matter in BC. What a silly argument. The jurisdiction of the ‘roos is universal. Not a bird sings without its song being relevant in a roo proceeding.

Update 11 – and Lunch: Coyne writes: “Joseph returns fire. The Belgium post is available “on a thing called the internet.”

Commenters on the Western Standard blog, he points out, talk about killing Muslims, doing terrible things to Muslims. It is graphic, he says, and shocking. Direct link to Steyn’s article, he says. He’s on a roll here, voice rising.”

What’s great fun here is that the direct link is to 19 Mohammedans flying a couple of airplanes into the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. Steyn was a bit late on the scene.

Just before Lunch: Frankly this morning has been pathetic. It is not in the least clear what Joseph is trying to prove or if he is trying to prove anything. Maybe he is just trying to postpone the ritual slaughter of Khurrum Awan on cross examination. Maybe he is hearing voices. Maybe he will detonate himself or the dolt he has for a witness and bring down the curtain early.

Were I a Muslim I would be down at the Courthouse with the biggest sign I could carry with the words, “Faisal Joseph does not speak for me, and neither does the CIC.”

People have written that one of Islam’s biggest issues is its constant humiliation. Well, if you show up with a lousy case badly prepared it is a pretty good bet you will be humiliated.

A merciful BCHRT would come back from lunch and dismiss the complaint as having no prospect of success. As if.

Now to get some work done.

8 comments to Steyn Follies - Act III - “The Court Marsupial”

  1. Blazingcatfur
    June 3rd, 2008 at 8:53 am

    I think we need to come up with some kind of badge or medallion, if your blog gets mentioned during the show trial – you get to post it on your sidebar or somethin. Like a Campaign Medal.

  2. Seraphic Single
    June 3rd, 2008 at 10:21 am

    That is a totally cool idea. I second the motion.

  3. Rorschach
    June 3rd, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Why don’t you just shoot the freaking bastards and be done with this abuse? Or more simply stand up in court tell the “judges” that these proceedings are unconstitutional and that this court HAS NO RIGHT to say word one. and march out. when they rule in absentia to take everything, you can then take them to the Apellate courts and bludgeon them to death. but by standing there and fighting after already declaring the court to be a kangaroo court with no legal authority you are admitting that they DO have legal authority and completely undermining the assertion of unconstitutionality.

  4. Alan
    June 3rd, 2008 at 11:08 am

    Jeese, even I would support that if only to make this whole process the slightest bit relevant.

  5. David
    June 3rd, 2008 at 11:44 am

    I think you vastly underestimate Faisal Joseph’s strategy here. This is not a court of law. It does not operate by any principles of evidence, proof or legality. Remember the Boissin case in Alberta where the pastor was held responsible for a “homophobic” attack on no substantial evidence.

    The HRC game is about emoting within the framework of the hard left activist mindset of the staff that sit on its Tribunals. They already believe that everyone with political views that disagree with theirs constitute a great conspiracy of racism, ignorance, homophobia, Islamophobia and whatever else is the latest fashion in phobias. Joseph is not proving a legal case, he is merely playing to the panels political biases and convincing them that Macleans and Steyn are part of the conspiracy and to be convicted as a result. Every good conspiracy theorist believes that guilt by association (however tenuous) is the best proof. The complainants are pandering to this “standard of proof”.

  6. Simon Fleischmann
    June 3rd, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    Did anyone else note this entry by Tarek fatah among the comments on Coyne’s or Currie’s blog?

    Fatah wrote: “Does anyone remember Sheikh Younus Kathrada, the Imam who preached that Jews were “brothers of monkeys and swine”?

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/07/21/cleric-rcmp050721.html

    Well, what do you know. The good old “monkeys and swine” imam is part of this convoluted Islamist alliance fighting Macleans.

    How, you ask? Relax. Since none of the esteemed reporters are digging deep enough, let me help them out from Toronto.

    The National Post today suggests that Naiyer Habib, unlike Khurrum Awan, gives the trial a “local flavour.” Most B.C. Muslims would beg to differ…

    Naiyer Habib is from Saskatchewan and only moved to Vancouver recently. The Regional Director of the CIC in BC is Luay Kawasme. Where is he? Don’t know.

    I am told Naiyer Habib is the father of Adnan Habib. Adnan Habib is a Vancouver lawyer, and the legal counsel for the BC Muslim Association.

    Earlier this year the BC Muslim Association hired a new Imam. Guess who? None other than the discraced hate-monger Sheikh Younus Kathrada!

    Thee Imam who preached that Jews were “brothers of monkeys and swine” is now lecturing at Masjid al-Iman in Victoria run by an organsiation whose legal counsel is the son of Naiyer Habib!

    Convoluted assoications? yes. Guilt by association? Probabaly, but it is not me who is saying all Muslims are one organic body that weeps whenever the boy-band is insulted.”

    Now, THAT IS VERY INTERESTING!

  7. Hannibal Lectern
    June 3rd, 2008 at 8:49 pm

    “Coyne reports he has a dongle. A super, duper whooper dongle”

    I can’t believe you said that—Coyne will get you for that one!

  8. jay
    June 3rd, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    David, Lord I hope you are right ‘cause Macleans has to lose this for it to go to real Court.

    Hannibal, I didn’t, he did…I merely embellished.

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