On Notice
Three MPs have stood up in the House of Commons and brought the Jackal’s threats against the CIC and TVO to the Notice of the House.
While Canada’s media sleeps, the fact is that Iggy has now been put on notice. Does he condone the Jackal’s threats? Does he think it appropriate for the Jackal to tell a leading Jewish organization he will cut off their access to the Liberal Party?
And, today, the Jackal alludes to a prominent Jewish advocacy organization which he can’t name due to anticipated legal action. So does Iggy think it’s smart politics to be suing prominent Jewish advocacy organizations? Or CPC cabinet ministers?
Here’s the thing, and I steal from KMG, there is an old maxim that silence implies consent. So long as Iggy remains silent about his spokesjackal’s actions we have to assume he is both aware and approving.
If there was a “plucky” reporter left in the Parliamentary Press Gallery he or she might just ask the Count for his views on the all litigation, all the time, Jackal. However, based on performance to date, the Gallery are all too terrified of the Jackal’s snarl and it is left to the blogosphere to bring the varmint to ground. (And they wonder why no one is reading or watching.)
March 11th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Methinks he will be goin after EZ again, this will drag the Canada Israel Committe into it. The Jackal is hell-bent on self destruction.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Isn’t it 4 MP’s now?
March 11th, 2009 at 10:23 am
While Canada’s media sleeps…
Why do you need Canada’s media, Jay? As Blazing Cat’s Ass proudly proclaims in the previous post, “The media? We are the media.” So get to it, you media barons. You don’t need the tired old emessem, remember. You are blogger, lets hear you roar.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:50 am
For some reason my comments – apparently hacked by Russians I don’t have the time to track down right this instant – are not letting Sean McCormick post this:
Some thoughts in no particular order…
– I support The Jackal’s right to make tasteless ethnic jokes without being persecuted or fired, just as I support the right of K. Shaidle and K. MacMillan to do the same. I’d rather have a tasteless conversation about our racial/cultural differences rather than no conversation at all. It’s a start.
– I support The Jackal’s right to hate whoever he wants to and to petition whatever organizations he has the ear of with his concerns. If I can write the National Post and say that I’m urging friends and family not to buy their rag because of the crap Chris Selley spews into it, The Jackal can tell his Liberal friends to eschew the CIC if they cozy up to people he disagrees with. Fair is fair.
– I support the right of organizations who think that The Jackal is acting like a douche to tell him so and bounce him from their ranks. Means things are working as they should and we don’t need to worry.
– I think that if the biggest Liberal scandal going these days is Warren Kinsella, this shows that the Libs have really been putting their house in order. An aging punk rocker who acts like a douche, trips over his tongue, and enjoys spending his family’s inheritance on frivolous lawsuits is not in the same league as brown envelopes of taxpayer cash being passed around surreptitiously in Quebec restaurants. You’re actually making the Liberals look better, not worse.
– I think that conservatives have bigger fish to fry. Our “Conservative” PM spends like a fecking socialist and breaks election promises like one, too. Maybe we could apply some pressure there?
– I think our overpaid and underworked MPs have better things to do than (badly) read (badly) prepared speeches in parliament dunning Warren Kinsella. They should get their asses in gear on bigger priorities like stopping unnecessary “stimulus” spending, downsizing government, and building suicide booths all through Ontario so we can get rid of those retired GM workers who are causing GM all those problems with their pension plan. And if any other Ontarians want to use said suicide booths, so much the better.
– None of the above changes the fact that BCL has the cranial capacity of a tsetse fly.
So there.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:55 am
“spokesjackal” – I like that.
And now in London, Ontario a Freeps reporter pretending to be a journalist practises ransom note quotations of Kathy Shaidle, but is very careful to accurately and completely quote Farber and the Jackal: http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/Local/2009/03/11/8704556-sun.html
“This is just the latest round in their personal vendetta, in which they use alleged journalist Randy Richmond of the London Free Press – a card carrying member of their buddy Richard Warman’s fan club as a proxy.” (http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2009/03/bernie-farber-and-lying-jackalstill.html)
If the event organizers cancel Shaidle, I won’t go. What would be the point of going to such a hypocritical event – a seminar on free speech banning a speaker?
March 11th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Who the hell is Robert McClelland?
March 11th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
He’s a very upstanding fellow who makes important contributions to the blogosphere, like this one:
http://myblahg.blogspot.com/2004/05/fuck-jews.html
Really, I’m surprised he hasn’t become a household name by now.
March 11th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Hey man, you see how she’s trying to disappear all those quotes she was saying she’s so proud of?
Think trying to make stuff disappear off the internet will work, Jay? Think anyone will offer her a spot on their tv show now?
March 11th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Gosh no BCL…Perhaps you’d like to provide an example or two.
March 11th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
And, BCL, while I have you here, have you called Bernie or the Jackal or the CIC about those emails you said were “made up”?
March 11th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
BCL is not only a liar – he’s a stupid liar.
March 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Examples are back at my site Jay, I ain’t doing all your work for you. And apparently you’ve already acknowledged its happening.
March 11th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
BCL, asking for examples is not acknowledging anything – and how did those phone calls go?
March 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I’ve e-mailed 5feet – she has done no such thing, I suspect BCL’s web skills are as refined as his relationship with the truth – non-existent. And no I can’t be bothered visiting your site BCL.
March 11th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
E-mailed 5Feet again – The issue may be one of the blog hosting site she uses, remember there are 2 blogs there, her old Relapsed one and the new 5Feet, it’s possible the host may have misplaced the archives, at any rate she stands by her work as do we all.
March 11th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
So what if Kathy did say it? She is just saying what every sane person in the country is thinking, but didn’t, for fear of some sawed-off fuckwit hr officer hauling them before a star chamber,have them lose their job and a big chunk of their income.
No not every muslim is a barbaric suicide bombing, freedom hating anti-Semite, but enough of them are that it is causing big problems in the civilized countries.
Lefties there is a reason you are out and staying out of the game plan. No one is buying your fucking bullshit any longer. The msm media that is controlled by the left is dying, because they are not trusted. No more talking at us, we will tell you, loud and clear, what we think of your lefty media. Canadians resent the left, you are dying breed, and thank fuck for that.
Someone had to address this issue, and Kathy Shaidle had the courage and balls to do it. I say ,”you go girl!”
March 11th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Jay,
The sadness continues – and grows more pathetic with each thread you launch.
I see from Kinsella’s own site that at least one journalist – at the Macleans, no less – has picked up the story.
And his take on Kinsella-gate and the parade of nobody MPs denouncing him? WTF is the government doing taking swipes at a volunteer adviser to the opposition leader in the middle of an economic crisis?
And the answer from the comments seems to be – pandering to the base. Which means, I presume, remedial readers like BCF, who are given to accusing journalists of “negligence” because they won’t spout the party line. And professional bullshit artists like Five Feet of Fumbling, who never met a fact she couldn’t get wrong in five different ways.
March 11th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
> Think trying to make stuff disappear
> off the internet will work, Jay?
I hereby retract the tsetse fly comment. Apparently you’re even dumber than that. d00d: Try Google. It ain’t hard.
March 11th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
BCL - seems you’ve got about as much expertise with websites as you do with
Shiite theology. After that debacle with Steyn, I would have retired gracefully.
But I guess you don’t embarrass easily.
March 11th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
bcl does lie and very badly.
I spoke to Salim Mansur who assured me that he would not take part in any event on free speech that gives way to censorship. He also indicated that he is aware there are people trying to use smears and intimidation to shut down the event in London.
March 11th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
‘Five Feet of Fumbling’.
God, that’s hilarious, TW.
Keep ‘em coming. I am in stitches.
March 11th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
You folks are funny. Some of those quotations have indeed disappeared from both sites. Try finding the one about Sikhs that Shaidle posted last April on her new site, for example, instead of doing the usual public jerking off.
I mean, really. Don’t tell BCL and other intelligent folk how to cruise Google. Know how dumb that makes you look?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Dawg, do you really think someone who has been on the net as long as Kathy would bother trying to “disappear” material – Glen Greenwald maybe – but Kathy has handed people their heads based on what she’s found in cache. Rather like my apparent endorsement of assorted Russian sites that I cannot see this is a bug not a feature.
However, let BCL spin as hard as possible: perhaps the arm waving will serve to distract us from the fact he accused BCF and I of making up emails and has not bothered to call the Jackal to confirm them.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I gotta jump in here. How Leftoid do you have to be. No wonder there is Fury. You blind bats still don’t get it. If you think Kathy Shaidle is trying to hide something YOU find offensive, you don’t have a clue what this discussion is all about. It is about “political correctness” and the fact we do not accept it, will not bow to it, and will flagrantly oppose it. We don’t give a shit about it. No, that’s not correct. We oppose it so much that we defile it. We will write whatever the fuck we want and who is going to be the asshole that says “you cannot say that”? Well I just did, so I guess I can.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Well said JAW…
March 11th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Poor Iggy – a wounded Deer caught in the headlights and now flashlights of real people.
He simply cannot do anything about Katsmeat as either choice raises questions about his ability to lead, let alone govern.
Katsmeat and Lucy (let alone Lynch and Hall) are the best things that ever happened to Harper. The cumulative effect of a global warming Black Hole.
Interesting though in the Randy Richmond puff pieces Steyn posts – both Lucy and Katsmeat have families??? All this litigation sure shows how much they care.
“Lucy” takes in homeless CATS? (sniff) Give me a break and give me blogs as compared to the LFP and the G & M..
March 12th, 2009 at 4:53 am
JustAnotherWesterner:
Thanks for cutting through the crap. As usual, the lefties are focused on the finger pointing at the moon rather than the moon itself.
I purposely say things to “offend”. Except that unlike brainwashed lefties, I don’t accept the conceit of “group offense” and “group libel” in the first place. My blog is an undertaking in “insensitivity training.”
It’s also class warfare. I resent being told I’m not speaking, writing and thinking properly by the Upper Canada College, White Collar Elites who imposed political correctness on us like they did metric, bilingualism, multiculturalism and the new flag.
Wouldn’t it be nice if, just for a change, lefties concentrated on the actual violent and destructive ACTS being perpetrated by their poor, helpless minority “pets” and “victims” groups than at me for saying rude things in response?
Lefties complain about people “blaming the victim” but they never get around to “blaming the perp” which is what a normal person with a functioning moral compass does. They live in an upside down world—and as we can see, they get VERY VERY angry when someone points this out.
Faux outrage and moral posturing. That’s all they’ve got.
March 12th, 2009 at 5:04 am
A question so stupid I can’t believe I’m asking it, but it’s 2009 and this is what we’ve come to:
Lots of lefty bloggers hate conservatives, Christians, pro-lifers, global warming skeptics. And hate them with a passion.
Why is that ok but not ok for someone to hate another group? Let’s say somebody just doesn’t like, to use Dawg’s example, Sihks.
Well…
So?
I’m serious.
March 12th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Whether or not Shaidle is tired of being unemployable, and is quietly burying some of her viler droppings, is irrelevant; through the miracle of cache, they live on.
Which ought to delight Shaidle. We all agree here, I think. I certainly support her right to say whatever she wants, in whatever forum. In fact, I favour giving her views the widest exposure possible.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:00 am
This is sweet. Kinsella doesn’t get it yet.
Iggy is already whining about the big bad bullly conservatives. That line really helped dainty Dion, didn’t it?
Go little girlie men, go crying to momma. Everyone loves a wimpy loser.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:11 am
I wonder if bigcitylib is slaming Kamikazi Kinsella for removing the cat meat story off his website?
March 12th, 2009 at 7:41 am
I’m touched that Dawg actually remembers something I supposedly wrote last April.
I don’t remember what I wrote last week.
No traffic, no life, no nuthin’ but loooong stretches of time on one’s hands.
March 12th, 2009 at 10:03 am
> Whether or not Shaidle is tired
> of being unemployable
Unemployable only in certain elistist circles, I suspect. To the majority of us great unwashed—you know, the ones who actually produce value in the Canadian economy so the govt has money to pay for all of it’s social engineering experiments—she hits the nail on the head with every blog post.
I’d hire her in my store if she could help fix computers and I’d always be happy to give her a good reference. I suspect a lot of other people would hire her in a heartbeat as well.
But, what do I know? I’m a dirty racist. I don’t suppose the fact that I’ve dated black and Chinese women, that I’ve got Sikh friends, that I had a black roommate for two years, that I think Tina Turner is still the hottest woman on the face of the planet (next to my wife), and that I worship both Bill Cosby and Thomas Sowell counts for anything. I’m just a nasty bigot so ignore me, please.
March 12th, 2009 at 10:54 am
‘Unemployable only in certain elistist circles, I suspect.”
Nope. Unemployable by any employer with: – First Nations, Sikh, Muslim, or Black employees, shareholders, managers, clientele, directors, or supervisors, and – Google.
Shaidle noted exactly that on her site: and she’s quite right.
March 12th, 2009 at 11:07 am
I’m touched that Dawg actually remembers something I supposedly wrote last April.
“Supposedly.” Res ipsa loquitur.
Shaidle got caught. Notice she has denied nothing. All prevarication.
I picked up that link, of course, over at Warren’s, yonks ago. But, yes, I do have a lot of time on my hands, to do anything I damned please—I earned it. A good income, contract work and being a full-time graduate student still leaves me some time to gather a bit of low-hanging fruit now and again.
I want details of that affirmative action programme for conservatives, though.
March 12th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Dawg, Kathy didn’t “get caught”. Have you any evidence at all that she in any way is denying having written the stuff which has “gone missing”?
She hasn’t and won’t. And not simply because she is well aware of Google cache and screenshots. Rather because she is proud to have written the material.
Compare and contrast – the Lying Jackal posts an idiotic remark and video about Chinese food and then tries to hide it when he is called on it; Kathy, on the other hand makes no appologies and is perfectly willing to refer to her earlier posts see, for example here.
The Jackal was, rightly, ashamed of his racism. Kathy, not being a racist but rather a person willing to examine the activities of particular groups without PC blinders in place, has nothing to be ashamed of. So, I expect, if you keep reading her blog you will find lots of ammo.
March 12th, 2009 at 11:35 am
> Nope. Unemployable by any employer with: – First
> Nations, Sikh, Muslim, or Black employees,
> shareholders, managers, clientele, directors, or
> supervisors, and – Google.
Methinks he doth protest too much. For example, it’s well known that you can slur Chinese people with remarks about how they serve cat in their restaurants, cause an international incident, and still hold a high rank in the Liberal Party of Canada. Because I’m pretty sure that there are Chinese people in the LPC. Maybe some managers, directors, and supervisors, too. I’m betting there were also some among the crowd that purportedly gave Cat Boy a standing ovation at the Nova Scotia Liberal get together as well.
So I don’t think her employment prospects are as bad as you do.
March 12th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Sean, you may have missed Shaidle’s own comment on her own dismal employment prospects last week. For what it’s worth, she’s quite right.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Kinsella’s “racism?” Jay, you’re having us on. Even you know irony when you see it. But great to ignore it for all the faux-outrage potential.
But in any case:
Have you any evidence at all that she in any way is denying having written the stuff which has “gone missing”?
The word “supposedly,” above, is great circumstantial evidence.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I didn’t miss it, I just didn’t agree with it. Her employment prospects may be dismal in Ontario, but she’d fit in wonderfully here in small town Alberta where I live. I regularly have people bring computers that are under warranty in for service because they’d rather pay me to help them than spend three hours on the phone “trying to understand some goddamn foreigner” as part of their free support.
Now, you could generalize and say that all rural Albertans are a bunch of knuckle-dragging rednecks, but then you’d be making assumptions about an entire cultural group. Apparently you’re upset at Kathy for doing this so I imagine you’ll want to avoid doing so yourself.
BTW, nice tap-dancing around Cat Boy’s indiscretions. Am I to infer that you’re at peace with his ethnic slurs against Chinese people? They don’t bother me because if I defend Kathy’s free speech I also have to defend Cat Boy’s. I imagine that you, on the other hand, are simply outraged at the horrible injustice perpetrated against Canada’s Chinese minority.
You are, aren’t you?
March 12th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
“I didn’t miss it, I just didn’t agree with it.”
You’re mistaken, I think. Shaidle and I both think so; and her lengthening bout of unemployment and escalating appeals for money suggest that we may be more correct in our assessment than you.
“I regularly have people bring computers that are under warranty in for service because they’d rather pay me to help them than spend three hours on the phone “trying to understand some goddamn foreigner” as part of their free support.”
Heh, well, I’m sure if Shaidle decides to get into computer repair, she’ll be a huge hit among folks who don’t want to deal with “damn foreigners”.
“Now, you could generalize and say that all rural Albertans are a bunch of knuckle-dragging rednecks, but then you’d be making assumptions about an entire cultural group. Apparently you’re upset at Kathy for doing this so I imagine you’ll want to avoid doing so yourself.”
Heck, I’m not generalizing or assuming anything. I’m speaking about one individual.
Put it this way. I own and manage a company with just over twenty employees, and with about forty associates in various subcontractor relationships. On our staff, purely by fluke, we have two Muslims, one Cree, one Ojibway, and one Inuk. Among our associates we have one additional Muslim consultant and one Trinidadian researcher/writer. Our clients include several ethnic and Aboriginal companies, some businesses and some non-profits.
Now seriously. It’s a pretty competitive market out there, and Shaidle is a competent writer, but not much more. Why on earth would I hire her? Why on earth do I want to explain to Semir that his new office mate didn’t really mean HIM when she dismissed Muslims as fucking violent retards? Do you think I could actually assign her to write for an organization whose membership she characterized as drunken parasites?
“BTW, nice tap-dancing around Cat Boy’s indiscretions. Am I to infer that you’re at peace with his ethnic slurs against Chinese people?”
Do you mean the cat/food joke? I thought it was stupid and not very funny. Do I see it as part of long term pattern of proudly and explicitly endorsing hate against Chinese? Nope. Do you?
March 12th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
One thing that’s not being mentioned here – the Lyin’ Jackal
routinely quotes people out of context. I wouldn’t trust anything he puts up on his site. He’s a partisan hack, full-stop.
He also scrubs his site when he gets in hot water – for e.g., the catsmeat video disappeared double-quick.
Say what you want about Shaidle, but I have seen no evidence that she has done the same.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Kathy,
I can answer your question with one word. Indocrination. It takes 15-20 years to demoralize a generation.
Was Russia’s agenda is now jihad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo
March 12th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Lefties are always outraged. Just like 3 year olds who don’t get their way.
March 12th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Bulbican has accused me elsewhere of being “obsessed with Nazi pornography.” But still hasn’t met my challenge to prove this.
Like, say, Slate.com, I’ve noted the strange phenomenon of “stalag” porn that swept Israel during the Eichman trial.
I challenged Bulby to produce links to these posts, in a number sufficient to qualify as obsession.
Still no response.
“Haven’t you ever heard of irony?”
Wow. The, er…. irony.
And once again, everyone’s poor reading comprehension skills are in evidence. I said I was unemployable in the mainstream, for a cubicle job, then added that I had hated my last one and didn’t really want another one anyhow.
I’ve been a professional writer for years, unlike the rest of you, with your—well, crappy cubicle jobs. I ramped up the freelancing from 40% to 100% a year and a bit ago.
Oh and have I mentioned lately how many thousands of dollars I took in in donations during this smear campaign of yours? And how my traffic is through the roof?
Thanks, loser dudes!
March 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
> Why on earth do I want to explain to Semir
> that his new office mate didn’t really mean
> HIM when she dismissed Muslims as fucking
> violent retards?
I, as an employer, wouldn’t give a damn. Semir’s job, as Kathy’s would be, is to add value to my company. I, in turn, share part of that value with my employees. If two employees get into a pissing match I’ll take the side of whichever one makes me more money, be it Semir or Kathy. If Semir has a problem working with Kathy, and she adds more value than he does, he’s free to leave. Or vice versa.
If I hire someone, it’s soley because they’re going to make me money. I don’t care about sex, skin colour, culture or disabilities until they start taking away from my bottom line. And, yes, I’m one of those bigots who doesn’t believe in accommodating disabilities (and speaking as someone with multiple disabilities, I find being “accommodated” offensive).
> Do you think I could actually assign her to
> write for an organization whose membership
> she characterized as drunken parasites?
I have a friend who had a large contract with one of those drunken parasite organizations. Their inability to pay bills and unreasonable demands nearly put him out of business. If any more drunken parasite organizations call him looking for IT support he’ll be telling them he’s too busy, even if he’s anything but. Some customers are just too expensive.
Funny thing: many of those offensive stereotypes grow from a kernel of truth.
As an aside, I no longer do ANY work for large energy companies here in Alberta. A bunch of bill dodging cocksuckers, the lot of them.
> Do you mean the cat/food joke? I thought
> it was stupid and not very funny. Do I see
> it as part of long term pattern of proudly
> and explicitly endorsing hate against
> Chinese? Nope. Do you?
I know that the visible part of the iceberg is the smallest part, and that there’s usually a shitload more lying out of sight. But, hey, everyone has bigoted thoughts. Not everyone is honest about it.
Getting back to the original topic, as much as I admire and respect Kathy, I don’t think we need to waste time in the House of Commons defending her. This is a skirmish in a much larger battle and that’s what Jay and BCL should be concentrating on.
March 12th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
> Bulbican has accused me elsewhere of being
> “obsessed with Nazi pornography.” But still
> hasn’t met my challenge to prove this.
Oh, shit, I’m busted now. I’ve got a copy of Voluptuous Panic: The Erotic World of Weimar Berlin by Mel Gordon sitting on a bookshelf in my spare room. I feel so ashamed…
March 12th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Kathy:
Without ad hominem smears, disinformation and snide innuendo the dogmatic left have no counter argument to justify their genetic hypocrisy.
The only time they have a cogent thought is when they croak and realize what a sin it was to waste a lifetime arguing a lie.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Yup. Everybody’s a “freelancer”, and every bus boy is between acting gigs, with a script they really want to direct.
But I have read your freelance writing, for sure. That bio you wrote on Ivana Trump for the Home Shopping Channel websiste was simply breathtaking. Since the “works” on HSC are largely unsigned, I can’t tell whether that incredible blurb for the Redfern Cordless Mop was yours, but I tell you, it was Proustian.
As for your obsession with Nazi Porn, you suggested that I wouldn’t be able to find more than nine posts by you on the topic. Heck, that’s nine more than I’ve ever written; but listen, whatever turns you on.
Speaking of unanswered questions though, since we’re chatting here all friendly-like, I’ll repeat the question I asked you at Jago’s. At Stageleft, we’ve used our site to raise money for Terry Fox, for the Prostate Cancer Ride for Dad, for the walk against Aboriginal suicide, and for a few other things. Now, given that you’re doing so wonderfully well, tell me…I see a lot of places on your site for donating money to Kathy Shaidle. Do you ever raise money for anything that’s NOT you?
March 12th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Sean:
Empoyer to employer, well said
March 13th, 2009 at 2:48 am
“I, as an employer, wouldn’t give a damn.”
Cool. That’s your right, and that’s the kind of workplace you choose to operate. I don’t think I’d work for you, but every company has its own culture.
But the other point was this: I as an employer have a choice between hiring (a) a writer who insults my staff and clients, and (b) a writer who doesn’t. If they are equally skilled in all other ways, I’ll pick (b), the writer without contempt for a share of my market.
‘I have a friend who had a large contract with one of those drunken parasite organizations.”
Gosh, that’s too bad. I’d suggest he dump that client. I don’t do work for companies who lose me money. For that reason there are two federal departments we simply don’t bid to, and quite a few private sector companies. Don’t miss ‘em, don’t need ‘em, don’t want ‘em.
But you either missed, or dodged, my point, which related to your first observation about making me money. The converse is that a staff person who LOSES me a share of my market is not an asset.
“Everyone has bigoted thoughts. Not everyone is honest about it.”
Shrug. Unlike the clench-jawed, fatally PC fantasy leftists that haunt Shaidle’s nightmares, I can actually tell the difference between an ethnic joke and someone who authentically hates people with funny accents or skin tones.
March 13th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
> But you either missed, or dodged, my point,
> which related to your first observation about
> making me money. The converse is that a staff
> person who LOSES me a share of my market is
> not an asset.
I thought it so obvious that it didn’t need addressing. I support the right of businesses to hire—or not hire—whoever they see fit. I support the right of businesses to refuse to deal with whoever they don’t want to do business with. If hiring Kathy would drive away business from your venture, then by all means don’t.
Out here in bigoted rural Alberta, Kathy would probably be a better fit than Semir depending on how thick his accent is and the degree to which he has integrated into Western culture. If he’s damn near impossible to understand and he treats my female customers like dirt, I don’t want him, even if he is more skilled than other technicians. Except I’m not allowed to point that out under Section 13. Might take away someone’s warm multicultural fuzzies. “Oh noes! Someone’s feelings got hurted again! Only the government can save us now!”
> Shrug. Unlike the clench-jawed, fatally
> PC fantasy leftists that haunt Shaidle’s
> nightmares, I can actually tell the
> difference between an ethnic joke and someone
> who authentically hates people with funny
> accents or skin tones
So can I. Interesting tidbit: I’m in the process of converting to (Conservative) Judaism, which presents particular challenges given my extremely rural location, lack of access to a Synagogue, Rabbi, and kosher shopping. My leftoid friends have tolerated a lot of dissenting opinions from me over the years, but apparently my becoming a Jew was too much. Listening to Rush Limbaugh is one thing, but keeping kosher is beyond the pale and not to be tolerated. I’m now short several friends. The amount of anti-Semitism on the left is, quite frankly, unbelievable until you experience it first hand.
Out of all the bloggers I know, guess who was the most supportive of my finding and attempting to integrate into the Jewish faith? That’s right, Kathy Shaidle, the knee-jerk Christian.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
“... and he treats my female customers like dirt…”
Ah. And if he routinely published statements that your Muslim staff were fucking violent retards, or your Aboriginal clients were drunken parasites, that would be okay?
Sorry to hear your friends are such idiots. I went through a lot of the same bullshit from my rightoid friends when I married my current wife, for reasons I will not discuss here. Good to know that no side of the political spectrum has a monopoly on stupidity. As the for anti Semitism on the “left”, I’ll raise you a neonazi and a Jacques LePen.
Congratulations on your conversion – that must be an amazing story.
But don’t mistake Shaidle for a Christian.
March 14th, 2009 at 7:35 am
> Ah. And if he routinely published statements
> that your Muslim staff were fucking violent
> retards, or your Aboriginal clients were drunken
> parasites, that would be okay?
To be honest, I’d tolerate the “Arabs are violent retards” comments in my store. I keep bugging Kathy to make a t-shirt so I can wear it to work. In Saudia Arabia…
– you can be put to death for holding hands with or kissing your gay lover in public.
– women are beaten for not covering themselves properly and treated like property and/or animals rather than equals.
– you can have your hand cut off for a shoplifting offense.
...plus other examples too numerous to mention. That’s retarded, and in many cases violent. I expect that the Arabs who came to Canada to escape that sort of retarded violence will take my shirt in context. The ones who are here to import their pro-Sharia values may be offended, but they can feck off.
Women are people who deserve equal rights and equal participation in society. The same goes for gays (I disagree with Kathy on gay marriage, BTW, I’m in favour of it.) I’m not in favour of mutilating the bodies of petty criminals, although I do admit I’d love to see Paul Bernardo fed feet first into a wood chipper. I only get violent after people cross a certain line in the sand.
So those are my values. I don’t mind standing up for them or calling down those who violate them. I’d put those values on a t-shirt and wear them proudly.
I wouldn’t tolerate comments about drunken Indians in the workplace (although I know a LOT of ex-drunken Indians thru a certain 12 step program), but whatever she does on her own time is her business so long as it doesn’t affect revenue at work. People are entitled to their opinions, no matter how repugnant, so long as they don’t injure my revenue. If they do, see ya…
> Congratulations on your conversion – that
> must be an amazing story.
Bewildering, actually. Still not sure how it happened.
> But don’t mistake Shaidle for a Christian.
A Christian is someone who accepts Christ as their personal savior, so I think Kathy qualifies. As to the quality of her Christianity, that’s between her and the Lord. Not my place to judge. My reading of the King James tells me that there was only one perfect man and they nailed that poor bastard to a cross.
I tend to favour the Jewish interpretation of sin, which is “your arrow missed its mark – try again.”
March 14th, 2009 at 11:24 am
“;To be honest, I’d tolerate the “Arabs are violent retards” comments in my store.”
Uh huh. And would you tolerate it from one of your employees if you employed valuable, skilled, productive, revenue generating staff of Arabian or Muslim descent?
“A Christian is someone who accepts Christ as their personal savior, so I think Kathy qualifies.”
Sure. If priestly pedophiles, Jim Phelps and the murderers of the Lord’s Resistance Army in Uganda can call themselves Christians, Shaidle can too. I guess what I meant was “people who try to apply the teachings of Christ in their lives.” You know, that wimpy love and compassion and forgiveness stuff.
March 15th, 2009 at 9:43 am
> Uh huh. And would you tolerate it from
> one of your employees if you employed
> valuable, skilled, productive, revenue
> generating staff of Arabian or Muslim
> descent?
I’d side with whoever made me more income. I freely admit that I’m a money grubbing whore. The truth is that an Arab with extremist tendencies likely wouldn’t work for me in the first place. I prefer to work with people who share my values (women aren’t pets, etc.).
> I guess what I meant was “people who try
> to apply the teachings of Christ in their
> lives.” You know, that wimpy love and
> compassion and forgiveness stuff
We’re coming into the concept of Sola Fide (Faith Alone). Faith in Christ is indeed the crux of the matter, but it is also agreed that one’s works should exemplify one’s faith. Let’s turn to
James 2:14-26…
14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? Can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and NOT BY FAITH ONLY.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
The Christian Bible is very clear that one’s actions should reflect one’s faith. So what does Kathy do? She generally upholds Christ’s teachings by speaking out against the cardinal sins and those who perpetrate them. Look at the people she targets, those guilty of gluttony, sloth, lust, greed, wrath, envy, and pride. Just as Christ fashioned a whip of cords to drive the money changers out of the temple Kathy has fashioned her polemical whip of words to drive the unsavory out of her society. Her actions on her blog are evidence of her living her Christian faith, and she does so at risk of persecution. Just like Christ risked persecution by preaching a contrary message in a society that was not prepared to receive it.
I am NOT a Christian. I admire parts of the religion and find others irredeemably silly. But I admire those who can live their faith to the extent Kathy does. My admiration ends when another’s faith seeks to curtail my own freedoms, including the freedom to practice my faith. In any case, you obviously don’t see Kathy as a Christian. I see her as the very definition of one.
March 15th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
“The truth is that an Arab with extremist tendencies likely wouldn’t work for me in the first place. I prefer to work with people who share my values (women aren’t pets, etc.).a’
Makes sense. So given the choice between a good Muslim, Aboriginal or black employee who generates good revenue, and a potential hire with a history of preaching hate towards those folks, you’d presumably opt not to disrupt a smoothly functioning workplace. We agree.
Can’t remember that Christ ever boasted about his hatred of any specific class of people, or enjoined anyone to hate another race or nation. Can you refresh my memory on that one?
March 15th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Er, no, Christ wasn’t boastful, but the fact remains that He was perfect by virtue of being the Son of God. It’s generally accepted, by Christians at least, that everyone else will not be able to attain the same standards He did.
Kathy DID risk her safety by demonstrating in favor of Israel and my right to live in front of thousands of hostiles. You, on the other hand, raised some money for charity from the safety of a group blog. So she’s boastful. Okay. If I need someone to get my back when the crap hits the fan I’ll call her. If we need help raising funds for a new sofa for the lady’s auxiliary I’ll call you.
The world doesn’t have enough people who will stand up for what’s right when their comfort and safety are on the line. Kathy is one of the few who will, just like the Biblical figure she follows. That makes up for a lot.
March 15th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Heh. Well, since you have not a clue who I am and what I’ve done, I’d suggest your choice is a bit precipitous. But since the entire “Shaidle/Levant/etc. as martyr” movement requires that they be “heroes”, I understand your need to see attendance at a demonstration as an act of heroism.
Good luck with your religious evolution. One of the things I’ve admired most about Judaism is the value it places on intellectual rigor and honest critical thought. Perhaps you and I can discuss Shaidle’s “heroism” when you get a little further down that road.
March 15th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
B,
I’ve gotta ask… Why the Shaidle fixation?
At the TO protest Shaidle was at there was a women screaming at a Jewish child that she was going to die. We’ve got a cabinet minister—Jason Kenney—who suddenly requires full-time RCMP protection.
Shaidle has called a few people names and hurt some feelings, true. But she hasn’t threatened anyone with violence. She hasn’t threatened to kill anyone. She’s not the reason that Jason Kenney needs police protection. So why have you singled her out when there are obviously much more pressing concerns?
I’m truly curious about this.
March 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Uh…why are you defending Shaidle when obviously you should be devoting your efforts to alleviating global malaria, a much more pressing problem?
Sorry, dude: “(a) is more important than (b), so why are you wasting time talking about (b)” is kind of a silly argument. We’re talking about it because we are. If it doesn’t interest you, stop.
Shaidle’s shtick repels me. It is anti-thought, anti exchange, anti reason. That’s why I discuss it.