Of the Naming of Names

And that’s why name calling is not only excusable in our fight—it is indispensible. Our opponents don’t approve of such things, or they wouldn’t be trying to arrest people for the “crime” of making rude, dumb jokes about immigrants on the internet. Since we know rudeness really gets our opponents worked up—enough that they are trying to impose a “tyranny of nice” by force of law—then let’s bug them by calling them names.

Duh. Really, folks: Do you want to win or what? five feet of fury

Kathy, in her unique, provocative, way gets three quarters of the strategy dead right.

The last quarter is humour and a sense of fighting joyfully. And that comes from Mark Steyn as much as anyone else. We are fighting against dour, pinch faced, bureaucrats, careerists and lawyers (often all combined in one person). These are not happy warriors. They have no sense of humour much less of the absurd.

People – in my comments and elsewhere – will prattle on about how inappropriate our name calling, “Lying Jackal”, “Lucy”, “the Sockpuppets”, is. We will not be taken seriously. Adults will have kittens if we don’t treat the little autocrats with respect.

Bull.

A year ago there was no serious free speech movement in Canada. A year ago the only people who gave a rat’s ass about free speech were huddled in their basements being harassed by Lucy and the corrupt rats at the CHRC. We have come a very long way in a year.

99.9% of the CPC Policy Convention delegates which included dozens of CPC MPs and the Minister of Justice, voted in favour of repealing s. 13. And they did it because us name callers have spent a year mocking and ridiculing the little Chekists at the Commission.

So, while we appreciate the polite efforts and advice of the adults, excuse us while we play a winning game. And, yo, adults, the fact is that a fair number of us speechers have a fair bit of experience in politics, journalism, publishing, marketing, organization and public relations. Possibly more than you do.

Here’s a hint: you do not want to see “Plan B” ‘cause if you do the CPC will not attain a majority next election or the election after that.

Update: Hi Steynians! If you have a moment read the comments below…many names are called and a good time had by some.

48 comments to Of the Naming of Names

  1. truepeers
    November 17th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    I’m no great strategist, and a big egg head, but it seems to me that in the bigger scheme of things, this question of names or niceties is not usefully an either/or.

    Yes, belittling the harridans of big mummy state and their rainbow retinues of professionally angry but well-rewarded misfits may prove salutary for those unduly obedient to an arbitrary authority that is in the habit of clobbering doubters and reasoners with don’t-dare-question victim status.

    Yes, there is an evil need among the HRCs and sundry political players for not merely recognizing but actively promoting and creating victims – properly political games that have been too long allowed to pass as, and thus corrupt, our once politically disinterested judiciary (the very thing our victim mongers believe cannot really exist). This politicization of the law must be denounced – preferably, in my opinion, in the serenity and lucidity from which evil in all its stinkin’ detail and universal human folly is best seen.

    But when you go about denouncing and demolishing an established order, however evil and limiting this order is, and however sure one may be that a new and freer and stronger order will replace it with the renewal of individual freedom, it is I think best if the demolition team gives people some idea of how we might share in affirmative signs of a new or renewed freedom, on which all who are joined in debate may place their stakes, and around which our daily exchange and order may well in future develop.

    People will rightly fear that a crisis of competing desires will eventually come to threaten any new arrangement (and quite soon if we get it wrong), however freer than the present arrangement it proves to be; and so we need to profess an intelligent faith in the inexhaustible possibilities of free men and women to transcend that inevitable future crisis when, say, latter-day Elmiserys and Burnys go at it without benefit of “human rights” referees with millions of dollars and years of time to find that perfect “balance” in a metaphysical gymnastics that impresses insecure and nerdy law students but makes little sense in guiding the decisions of free people in real life.

    Let’s champion again the sacred individual who does not need HRCs (nor CJCs, CICs, or Messiah buttons for that matter) to make peace and love with his or her neighbours. Let’s try to prefigure some signs to justify our faith in said individual.

    When a false regime of “human rights” is exposed, it remains for us to hint at what real human rights are today about. We need to renew our understanding of the sacred unity, the original seed that is the true guarantee of our human diversity in freedom. There is the need we here mostly recognize to transcend our present crisis, the crisis that comes from the inability of brokerage politics to forever mediate the incompatible claims of the many collective, group desires and resentments that are in conflict, a failed brokerage politics that thus expects unaccountable and procedurally opaque kangaroo courts to do the job. But there is still work to do in actually transcending the crisis. Re-writing a bad law is necessary but hardly sufficient to the task.

    It may be too easy to forget, in the midst of our individual resentments of HRC folly, how deeply immersed so many Canadians are in the now forty-years old “white guilt” culture of the schools and universities, rooted in the horrors of Auschwitz and Hiroshima (and in histories of the colonial past re-read in the light of those events), such that calling people names – people who do not look or talk anything like George Bush, or Stephen Harper – is a shock to all they have been led to believe is right and true. On a pragmatic level, we will do best politically if we do not just shock but also inspire. It is a brave and probably foolhardy politician who only wipes a dirty slate clean.

    The promise of a new and better national covenant that will evolve, unpredictably, from our renewed freedom in conversation with unfolding events needs to start being talked about as we frame the present unfolding event – the crisis and inevitable failure (sooner or later) of Section 13.

  2. Gus Williams
    November 17th, 2008 at 4:48 am

    I find it somewhat ironic Jay that you would point to “Five feet of fury” as your response to my concerns. She of all bloggers is the one I least respect. She posts but is afraid to see comments from readers. She is a hypocrite lecturing on free speech but denies it in her own work.

    I thought a bit more of you.

    Do you mean to tell me that calling a person who you do not agree with the most vile of names is “OK” and a legitimate means of civil discussion? Referring to Bernie Farber, whose family was murdered in the Holocaust as a “kapo” (both Ezra and Kady find this funny) is obscene no matter how you cut it.

    If this is the “new world” your right wants to usher in, thanks but no thanks.

  3. Kathy Shaidle
    November 17th, 2008 at 5:16 am

    Ain’t it odd how “Gus” (see post that started all this) actually (allegedly) managed to locate the massive 0.1% of Party delegates who were “turned off” by our tactics and turned that into a whole, you know, thing?

    Word of advice from this cynical old b*tch:

    Always beware The “I Have a Friend Who Says…” Guy. Or at least do the exact opposite of whatever he says.

  4. The LS for SK
    November 17th, 2008 at 7:10 am

    I’m with you and Kathy – Jay – the name calling is the final stage of humiliation and clearly demonstrates the Witch is on the way to losing her powers.

    But who would ever have though 1 year ago we all would have come so far so fast. Literally, Steyn and Levant have changed forever however the power of blogger unity and mutal assistance.

    Take for example the SLAPP suits by “Lucy” and “The lying Jackel”. where once individual Blogers had trouble defending themselves – “Warman Wednesday” changed all of that and at the mere mention of needing assistance, the “Paypal” button goes Red. If the bullies want to go to court – well I hope they have deep pockets as no one here is going to let the “Canuck 6” have to fold, even if a few can only donate $10 or $20.

    Another example of the new era is that of notification of breaking news and immediate response by hundreds perhaps to their MPs and media outlets even if by way of comments and letters to the editor.

    As a final comment to the bullies and zealots of the HRCs, the friends and benefactors in certain “Special Interest Groups” =

    na, na, na and their Mothers all wear Army Boots.

    From Proud to be a Canadian again!

  5. Ben (The Tiger)
    November 17th, 2008 at 7:36 am

    I figure the tactics are complementary—the politicians can mouth high-minded phrases about individual liberty and the sacred right to free speech, and the grassroots can make fun of those hitherto faceless and nameless bureaucrats. (English-Canadian tonguetroopers, I guess you could call them.)

    Branding & action.

  6. The LS for SK
    November 17th, 2008 at 9:26 am

    Ok Gus, from now on “Kapo” can be just referred to as “Furry Barber”!

    63+ years is enough already. The CJC and CIC are all victims!

    Move on or move over and stop trying to lecture/tell Canadians how to think, feel or speak.

  7. dkite
    November 17th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    The only power of the would be censors is that people take them seriously. It’s a pleasure to see their broad statements contradicted in public. And to see them squirm.

    This whole debate has a ‘the emperor has no clothes’ feel to it. To see Miller shown the idiot he is is like seeing him naked. The only response to his splutterings is mirth.

    They want to be taken seriously. Don’t.

    Derek

  8. Richard Evans
    November 17th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    Gus sez: “I find it somewhat ironic Jay that you would point to “Five feet of fury” as your response to my concerns. She of all bloggers is the one I least respect. She posts but is afraid to see comments from readers. She is a hypocrite lecturing on free speech but denies it in her own work.

    I’m sorry… I missed the part where Kathy is using the power of the state in an attempt to silence her critics. There must have been an article about it somewhere. Have you got a link?

    Gus, you pinhead, the last time I checked you are completely free to set up your own blog and comment on Kathy’s writing to your heart’s content.

    Dope!

  9. Louise
    November 17th, 2008 at 11:22 am
    1. 2, it never ceases to amaze me how some people can so misconstrue the essence of free speech. Kathy owns her blog. She and she alone has the right to decide whether or not to allow comments. That does not prevent you from expressing your opinion. You can find a place that accepts comments and really go to town, or you can even start a blog of your own and, if you wish, devote it exclusively to criticizing Kathy’s opinions. No one is stopping you. In fact, luckily for you, Kathy is Caucasian, so not even the Human Rights Commissions will bat an eye at what you have to say about her and her blog, not that she would be easy to offend. Go for it.

    Your see darling, free speech in a guarantee that the state will not punish you for what you say, except in a few very clearly defined areas. It has nothing to do with words exchanged between private citizens, whether privately or on a publicly accessible forum.

  10. Kathy Shaidle
    November 17th, 2008 at 11:31 am

    Ooooh, Gus doesn’t respect me! Oh noze. Means I’m on the right track.

    Dummy: I’ve been blogging before comments were even invented, and you’d even heard of it/them.

  11. Kathy Shaidle
    November 17th, 2008 at 11:32 am

    BTW: please inform my Jewish friends who call Bernie a “Kapo” how “offensive” they’re being, m’kay?

  12. WL Mackenzie Redux
    November 17th, 2008 at 11:36 am

    By all means call a spade a spade and a fascist a fascist, and a Quisling a Quisling. The problem is, all the really good and applicable epithets have been monoplized by the demented crusader zealoty and their meaning is either distorted in public optics or they are an over used cliché’ with no power to project accurate imagery.

    I prefer to think of those who defend indefensible civil atrocity like section 13, or apologizing for justified outraged denouncement of it, as people who will sit on the wrong side of history when right plays out….their names become synonymous with the evils they championed…like Judas, Machiavelli, Jacobins, Napoleon, Benedict Arnold, McCarthy, Quisling, Dalton Camp, Jane Fonda, Bin Laden, Khadr etc.

    This historic fight against PC tyranny will also have its casualties of history and some day when a kid in a school yard wants to denounce another kid caught being a lying, treacherous bully he will be called a….( fill in your favorite HRC zealot here)

  13. Louise
    November 17th, 2008 at 3:39 pm

    “they are an over used cliché’ with no power to project accurate imagery.”

    That is exactly what has happened, WL. Decades of political correctness has rendered what used to be very powerful pinpoint accurate words nearly meaningless. It’s almost become a badge of honour to be accused of racism. It basically means you are getting close to the truth.

  14. Rose
    November 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    Kathy makes me laugh, and I applaud Jay for
    standing beside her. This fight is about
    Free Speech, not politie speech not mewling
    murmurs but robust Free Speech. My opinion
    is always deemed offensive because I
    refuse to mewl, snivil, grovel or reign my
    opinion in. Why should I be forced to grovel
    and make nice as Gus edicts? I’d gladly
    debate Kathy, I can’t stand over the
    top polite people snicker that’s not her.

    Some people are naturally diplomatic, some of
    us are doomed to live our lives sticking our
    foot in our mouths. So gus who are you to
    tell me to stop sucking on me socks?

    They gag me with a silver spoon, I don’t like silver
    spoons. I’m a cheap plastic kinda of gal.

  15. mordechai
    November 17th, 2008 at 7:08 pm

    “The LS for SK

    #6. November 17th, 2008, at 9:26 AM.

    Ok Gus, from now on “Kapo” can be just referred to as “Furry Barber”!

    63+ years is enough already. The CJC and CIC are all victims!

    Move on or move over and stop trying to lecture/tell Canadians how to think, feel or speak.”

    This is a friend of yours Jay? Nice (Lord give us strength not to hate these friggin bigots)...yes ls from sk, 63 years is more than enough time…I mean hell it was only 6 million Jews that were murdered, over 1 million Jewish children…yup those Jews just need to chill

  16. truewest
    November 17th, 2008 at 7:24 pm

    Well, Gus, the ratfuckers have spoken. And they like callin’ people names. And they have no time for folks like you, who are actually so stupid as to be active in party politics, and who embrace fogeyish ideas about civility and persuasion and dialogue.

    Besides, as Jay says, “Yo”—Jay’s been saying “Yo” since he got the Vanilla Ice tattoo way back when because it makes him sound down wit’ it—“yo, adults, the fact is that a fair number of us speechers have a fair bit of experience in politics, journalism, publishing, marketing, organization and public relations.”
    What Jay doesn’t say is that experience is defined mostly by abject failure.
    Ezra? A flop as a publisher. A partisan hack as a journalist. The most ridiculous press officer ever to serve on Parliament Hill (“I’m a Stockaholic!”) And his legal career? Let’s just say that he’s probably going to be spending more times in front of the Law Society than he ever did in front of judges
    Shaidle? Couldn’t hack it at the Star. Mainstream publications quite reasonably won’t touch her because she’s a libel bomb, unconcerned with niceties like factual accuracy. Publishes through vanity presses, where her sloppiness is overlooked. And why doesn’t she allow comments? Because her only answer to people who challenge her is “My blog gets more hits than yours” and “Mark Steyn blurbed my book”.
    Hey, Jay, how do you fit into this cavalcade of flops. Is guest hosting online radio shows the zenith of your existence?

  17. jay
    November 17th, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    Gee, tw, a bit bitter. We’re winning, you’re not so you decide to slime us. Fair ball in the sense that when you have nothing the occasional spitball is excusable. And, sadly, you are so terribly tone deaf that irony is wasted on you.

    mordechai, here’s the thing about free speech: bad taste is included. Not justified or excused, just included.

    Views of Farber tend to be pretty extreme. And the language sometimes reflects those extremes. Farber’s crusade against basement Nazi wannabes has exposed the CHRC and its gunsel Lucy as corrupt cowboys. People are angry about how the CHRC has perverted justice. Unfortunately, some of that anger is rightly directed at Farber and his organization. It is probably time for him to go and take the Lying Jackal with him.

    Or, if he will not go, at least he should stop looking for ineffectual anti-semitism and start looking in the mosques where it is often just part of the furniture. It is just possible that extremist Islam will not be so good for the Jews. Or the rest of us.

  18. truewest
    November 17th, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Jay,
    I thought you were all were down with name-calling. And speaking truth to frauds. And all that. Just trying to fit in with the cool kids.

    As for winning, you can proclaim victory when the Making the Internet Safe For Hate Act passes. In the meantime, just keep pumping out the misinformation.

  19. jay
    November 17th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    You might try for mildly funnier names tw…work on that joy thing.

  20. dcardno
    November 17th, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    I’m still not sure why Gus feels compelled to answer for someone else’s actions – that’s more what I expect from a Liberal…

  21. J.M. Heinrichs
    November 17th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    truewest+trackgrease, etc.

    Cheers

  22. truewest
    November 17th, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    Mildly funnier? Gee, I dunno…
    How about Five Feet of Failure? The Paper Bag Marsden? Mark Steyn’s Butt Plug?
    And then, of course, there’s Newman (although I’ve got give Michael Bate credit for that) Bluster Boy? SLAPPY Levant? Pimp Daddy Pay Pal?

    And then there’s you: The Great Pretender, Miss Information, Mr. Justice Wannabe.

    Yes, I know, they lack the dazzling wit of the Lying Jackal or Lucy. But then, I have a day job.

  23. jay
    November 17th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

    I kinda like SLAPPY Levant…but don’t give up that day job.

  24. The LS for SK
    November 18th, 2008 at 4:25 am

    Well Mordechi, I am sorry if I offended you.

    BUT - what you, Gus and the rest of the crowd seem to ignore is that there were Genocides well before WWll (Armenia) and many others after up to incuding Rwanada and perhaps some closer to you.

    Then there were the forced marches of explusion following WWll and deaths of many hundreds of thousands of POWs and of course the victims in Dresdan and those in the 2 A Bomb attacks in Japan.

    Under Stalin (nice Stalinists and marxists) over 25 million were “purged” but there are no laws prohibiting discussion or debate of the numbers or extent.

    But to Bernie’s loss – many of us lost many family members in many wars (on all sides) – and every loss is tragic and no more nor less important than the context of that loss. Certainly not to the extent of demanding special victim status justifying a curtailment of free speech.

  25. The LS for SK
    November 18th, 2008 at 4:56 am

    But Mordechi – I love the posts by you, Rose and Gus. Is it a CJC template?

    Reminds me of old grade school tactics. ‘You can’t be my friend Jay if you are a friend of (add your selection here)”!

  26. The LS for SK
    November 18th, 2008 at 5:12 am

    Ooops – apologies to ROSE as meant SUE.

  27. bugswatter
    November 18th, 2008 at 7:01 am

    I can always tell when truewest has been here; the landscape is strewn with ad hominem vulgarity there’s profanity spilled everywhere and there is an acrid stench of synthetic piety in the air.

  28. Blazingcatfur
    November 18th, 2008 at 7:05 am

    Truwest is proof the left lacks intelligence and humour.

  29. Kathy Shaidle
    November 18th, 2008 at 7:38 am

    Everybody knows mordechai is really the Lying Jackal in his “I’m an honorary Jewish person” guise.

    And yes dear, Professional Jews DO have to drop the Holocaust thing once in a while. It has become the defacto anti-religion of secular Jews and their obsession with it is doing more harm than good. People don’t like professional victims; they start to get the funny urge to victimize them, because hey, that’s how they keep presenting themselves.

    But since that’s, like, the truth about human nature (something Liberals can never quite grasp) we’re not supposed to express it.

    There is a NEW holocaust being planned but they’re too busy ‘fighting’ the last one to get it.

    TrueWest is secretly in love with me. He’s just doing the pixel equivalent of pulling my ponytail in grade five. Unlike him, I’m not an anonymous coward. And unlike him, I’ve sold thousands of books, with my REAL name on ‘em and everything.

    I wrote for the Star for years, so I’m not sure “couldn’t cut it” is the most accurate description. Try harder.

    And you’d be surprised, or not, to learn that Mark Steyn’s Butt Plug really wouldn’t be considered, you know, an insult by lots of people out there.

    We’re famous, you’re an anonymous loser. That’s life when you have no talent and exist merely as a combox parasite on other people’s websites.

  30. Louise
    November 18th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    LOL!! Kathy is a wordsmith. Truewest is a grievance monger. No contest as to whose words are a pleasure to read and whose aren’t.

  31. Gus Williams
    November 18th, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    “And yes dear, Professional Jews DO have to drop the Holocaust thing once in a while. It has become the defacto anti-religion of secular Jews and their obsession with it is doing more harm than good”

    Jay its this kind of garbage that shames your site. I couldn’t give a fig who this person thinks I am but one thing I tell you, I have only heard this dirt from the worst of bigotted minds!!

  32. jay
    November 18th, 2008 at 1:16 pm

    Gus, the former speaker of the Knesset doesn’t seem in the least ashamed. Here’s a link to Avraham Burg’s recent piece in the LA Times.

    I believe Israel must move away from trauma to trust, that we must abandon the “everything is Auschwitz” mentality and substitute for it an impulse toward liberty and democracy.

    I am not at all sure I agree with Burg’s view; but it can hardly be dismissed as garbage. And I defy you to argue that Burg is “the worst of bigotted minds!!”

    Should we move on? Yes. Should we forget? Never.

  33. Kathy Shaidle
    November 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm

    Gus is a plant. Told ya.

    Gus, I’ve had this conversation with Jewish friends (the ones who really do call the CJC ‘kapos’). The NY rabbi who is one of my oldest clients just mentioned this subject to me today, referencing Burg’s op ed as a matter of fact. The younger generation especially wants to remember but move on as Jay puts it. They have their differences with Burg on other issues but applaud his candor on this one.

    Maybe, Gus, you should make real friends instead of the imaginary ones who “tell you things” at CP conventions. Your mind is filled with yesterday’s half truths, cliches, hand me down outrage and received wisdom.

    Mine is not, plus I have talent AND the courage of my convictions—making me a triple threat.

    That’s why you and others on this thread view me as such a visceral threat. (Besides the fact that I’m a uppity female to boot). They’re jealous and you are too. It is so obvious it is frankly embarrassing. Psych 101.

  34. The LS for SK
    November 18th, 2008 at 2:27 pm

    Poor Gus – so desperately wants to call all of us “ANTI-SEMITES” but this has fallen out of favour/vogue – thanks in no small part to Bernie and the udder boys. A old band that strumned before “Shit from Hell” – the CJC honorary Lawyer.

    Yet us see how “der Lying Jackel” does tonight with Michael Coren – but if last night’s show was any indication – I won’t hold my breath. Lite!

    Even Dawg is now calling on the CJC and BB to denounce the JDF for “collective punishment”(against the Geneva Convention) and perhaps then they can apologize to the UN and Canada for CLUSTER BOMBS and the deliberate targeting of UN peacekeepers – one of whom happened to be a Canadian.

  35. Kathy Shaidle
    November 18th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    I see I shut all the idiots up. Heh!

  36. The LS for SK
    November 18th, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    No Kathy – they just reappeared on the Michael Coren show. What a lite piece of journalism if one can call it that. I watched it last night and tonight and it will be the last time as he certainly is not a Mike Duffy!

    All the boys (except for Mike Brock) used their time to interupt Neo Avie the Dirctor of Freedom of Expression – and our dear “Lying Jackel when he was not giving Bernie a high sign actually hugged him as Coren went to break = argggggg. Jackel of course said “...if Ezra was here…”.

    Coren was so ill prepared he did not even challenge Farber on the 13.1 complaints by “Lucy” and his relationship to the Lying Jackel nor to the awards the CJC gave him.

    Fluff journalism is all I can say.

  37. Richard Evans
    November 18th, 2008 at 6:20 pm

    Gus sez: “Jay its this kind of garbage that shames your site. I couldn’t give a fig who this person thinks I am but one thing I tell you, I have only heard this dirt from the worst of bigotted minds!!

    Gus; You’re still a pinhead.

  38. mordechai
    November 18th, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    LS…mmmm clearly your side lost. Otherwise you wouldn’t be making all these dumb ass excuses. I watched it too. The woman from the CCLA was quite articulate but a bit too “speechy”. Kinsella was low-key articulate, pretty effective, especially getting the CCLA woman to get into the child porn discussion. Farber, like him or not, was focused, passionate and persuasive. Didn’t understand a word Brock said.

  39. Blazingcatfur
    November 18th, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    “And yes dear, Professional Jews DO have to drop the Holocaust thing once in a while. It has become the defacto anti-religion of secular Jews and their obsession with it is doing more harm than good”

    “Jay its this kind of garbage that shames your site. I couldn’t give a fig who this person thinks I am but one thing I tell you, I have only heard this dirt from the worst of bigotted minds!!”

    Gus why do you defame Ezra, Trupeers, Scaramouche etc with your anti-semitic rants? What kind of moral monster are you?

    Jay why do you allow this filth on your site?

  40. truewest
    November 18th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    A little clarification please…
    When Shaidle writes “We’re famous…” is she referring to herself and Mark Steyn’s butt as a collectivity or is she using the royal “we”?
    I’m guessing it must be the former. The latter would seem an odd way to refer to yourself if you were someone like Five Feet of Factually Challenged, i.e. a bigot and serial slanderer whose sole talent consists of performing the journalistic equivelant of biting the heads off chickens.

    Bugswatter,
    Accusing me of ad hominem anything on a thread that is devoted to name-calling kinda makes you look stupid, don’t you think?

  41. jay
    November 18th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    Kitty, gus and tw add a certain raving charm to the proceedings. It is kind of fun to watch tw attempt wit and gus is just so damned cute waggling that finger.

    mordechai, I have not had a chance to watch the show yet. But what in blue blazes does child porn have to do with free speech. Really, if that was the best the Lying Jackal could come up with we really have won this debate.

  42. truewest
    November 18th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    Haven’t seen the Coren show—and likely won’t—but given Brock’s unsure grasp of the facts and the law (a problem he shares with Jay, and BCF and, well, pretty much the whole right-wing blogosphere) it’s hardly surprising to hear that Kinsella handed him his teeth.
    It’s all well and good for you kids to do your version of High School Musical 4: The Big Vote, but the standards are a little higher in the real world.

  43. jay
    November 18th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

    Not bad tw. It’s rare to be able to say something so definitive without having actually watched the show.

  44. truewest
    November 18th, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    I’ve had exchanges with Brock on the HRC question. He’s not persuasive or particularly well-informed.
    I’d be surprised if much has changed since then. But, hey, feel free to prove me wrong.

  45. jay
    November 18th, 2008 at 11:24 pm

    tape should be out tomorrow…until then I’ll refrain from comment.

  46. The LS for SK
    November 19th, 2008 at 10:37 am

    K Mordi OK - I saw the painful show all over again and my views as posted after the show last night on Jay’s site have not changed.

    Ms. Aviv was clearly the winner dispite the White men folk trying to disrupt and derail her presentation. The big hug at 0048 minutes into the show was a give away.

    “Lying Jackel” was clearly there in a scripted plan to disrupt and redirect the whole HR discussion and kept looking over at Furry Barber for approval.

    The big hug at 0048 of the show demonstrated that the 2 of them felt they had achieved their mission.

    Furry Barber presented well but nothing new (Nazis everywhere) but skirted well around the 1950s (see the Levant archives) and then the Heritage Front Affair (neither even brought up) and neither he nor Coren tried to link the 13.1 complaints to the CJC and their award winner “Lucy”.

    Nor to the relationship of “Lucy” to “The Lying Jackel” and any trips abroad????

    As Furry Barber talked about terrorist organizations and 9/11 – he conveniently forgot the JDL in Toronto that the FBI in the USA actually labelled as “terrorist” and looking at their website awhile back is clearly also anti-semetic but I suspect Mordechi, Gus and Sue will say “Boys will be Boys”?

    Coren did an ok job as a moderator but did 0 as a host in terms of being informed on the issue and challenging “Lying Jackel” or Furry Barber.

    Mike – well I had trouble following him and he stood out as all the others were properly dressed and why it might be ok in a Radio format – one must always understand who the potential audience might be and what message one is trying to put across. (sorry Mike)

    BUT - all of the above is why I called it a “Fluff Piece” last night.-

  47. Rose
    November 19th, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    truewest

    #22. November 17th, 2008, at 9:57 PM.

    Mildly funnier? Gee, I dunno…
    How about Five Feet of Failure? The Paper Bag Marsden? Mark Steyn’s Butt Plug?
    And then, of course, there’s Newman (although I’ve got give Michael Bate credit for that) Bluster Boy? SLAPPY Levant? Pimp Daddy Pay Pal?

    And then there’s you: The Great Pretender, Miss Information, Mr. Justice Wannabe.

    Yes, I know, they lack the dazzling wit of the Lying Jackal or Lucy. But then, I have a day job.

    End quote:

    Is your day job posting nonsensical tripe at the
    Globe perchance?

    So we free speecher have evolved from Neo Nazis
    to Kiddy Porn participants. Jeese Louise has Special
    K done gone and lost what was left of his grey
    matter?

  48. truewest
    November 19th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Rose,
    No. Although I do like a nice tripe sausage now and then.

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