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Fitna Back Online
March 31, 2008 |
The flea posts that LiveLeak has improved its security and now has Fitna back on line.
Dr. Dawg has seen the movie and didn’t like the tie in between the Koran and the ongoing Islamic terrorism which Wilders’ film underscores. Dawg drags out the hoary idea that the Bible has blood curdling passages too, so there. Which explains all the headlines we see about Anglicans beheading the infidels and Biblically inspired Amish hostage takings. I don’t have time for a point refutation of Dawg and I doubt it is necessary - the best example he can come up with is Fred Phelps who, one must admit is pretty horrible and has a following which numbers in the tens none of whom, so far as I am aware, has crashed a jet into a building while singing “Onward Christian Soldiers”.
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Dawg is a moron. Why do you even read the guy?
Dawg drags out the hoary idea that the Bible has blood curdling passages too, so there. Which explains all the headlines we see about Anglicans beheading the infidels …
Or perhaps the blood curdling passages in both texts are not really relevant in determining behavior.
I thought I was clear enough–fundamentalism doesn’t necessarily imply violence, but under the right conditions it could provide the rationale for it. Obviously those conditions are not present in America, but just as obviously they are in that stressed part of the world we call the Middle East.
Conservatives, if I may say so, suffer from a collective lack of reading comprehension. Go back and actually read what I wrote.
There are plenty of “stressed” Christians in the rest of the world Dawg, they do not seem to immediately reach for that sword Christ mentioned.
Nor do most Muslims practise the terrorism that the Qur’an allegedly calls for.
When they come up with that ridiculous example they’re admitting they’re wrong. Under the right circumstances, it could happen? Yeah, and under a very special set of circumstances I’d have great hair and a better sex life. So what?
Many more Muslims practise the terrorism that the Qur’an calls for than Christian who practise the same for their texts.
Christians have been instrumental in removing any and all conditions that may lead to fundamentalist violence in their societies. Muslims have been instrumental in institutionalising the same conditions.
The differences are astounding.
Geert Wilders’ may be wrong about Islamic theology and his cherry-picking from the Koran may do a disservice to the text in its entirety.
On the other hand, he is being threatened with death, threats considered sufficiently credible no broadcaster on earth is prepared to show the film.
So he is right about something at least.
By contrast, the dozens of parodies of Christian thought I could find on YouTube in five minutes or by casual channel flipping this evening which result in a total of zero death threats by Christians to anyone involved.
This is not a about theology, it is about psychopathology.
Though Wilders is right about Muslim theology, btw.
‘Obviously those conditions are not present in America, but just as obviously they are in that stressed part of the world we call the Middle East’
Pakistan , India , Indonesia , are not in the Middle East and they have their fair share of fundememtalist terror. The vast majority of the Christian leadership condemn any Christian terrorism, such as abortion clinic bombings or nuts like Phelps if only the same could be said of Islamic Spiritual leaders.
I think I am starting to feel genuinely sorry for Dawg.
Steve you are bang on we Christians stand in condemnation of acts of violence against all of society, commiting acts of violence (or genocide in Darfur by Arab Muslims)in the name of Jesus will always be condemned. Islam remains and will remain silent. Islam doesn’t allow for Criticism of the Koran, and the Koran is the source of violence. True change can only come with a reformation of Islam, I’m not holding my breath though.
Dawg how about you post some of the blood curdling parts of the bible, or were you refering to the Ten Commandments?
Flea had it right to start with, more or less:
This is not a about theology, it is about psychopathology.
The bloodcurdling parts of the Bible that I posted are not an argument for some kind of moral equivalence. The very fact that no significant number of Christians has acted upon those verses proves my point: it’s obviously not the book, but other factors, that account for Islamic terrorism.
Uh, Rose, I just noticed your post. I did precisely as you asked at my blog, which is what aroused Jay Currie in the first place.
dawg…by that logic is it fair to say that X wasn’t motivated by money in robbing that bank because Y, who also needs money, doesnt rob banks?
Dawg:
The Jihadis claim they are acting on precedent, and quote the Hadiths and Surahs to back up their actions all the time (check out Youtube for their videos). As you put it, there may be “other factors” that motivate them toward violence, but if thats the case, why do they keep going back to the Quran for justification? In other words, the “other factors” are completely unimportant to them.