saying Warman had the same IP address for each time.
saying the Anne Cools post has the same IP address as Warman as testified by Klatt making them one and the same.
Matching charaacteristics of two user profiles by Klatt
a) Anne Cools posting
b) Lucy
Warman was asked if he registered. Warman denied ever registereing on Freedomsite. Denies 3 times.
Reiterating that Warman said he stood corrected after Kaluszka confronted him. - 157 evasive answers
Showed him the user profile for Lucy - had a number of characteristics
giving the IP address of Lucy
saying same IP address
same browser IE
same windows version
same yahoo and hot mail
both set up accounts using anon emails
both loged on to message boards on twice for very short periodds
Lucy 120 minutes
Anne Cools poster 20 minutes
same fields filled in under user profiles
accounts created for single purposes
Warman to run off docs for evidence
Anne Cools - 14 minutes - one post, never to post again
talking about Warman’s response to application for Rogers freedominion
Looking bad for Lucy…where is the Lying Jackal when you need him??
There is a new entrant in the lists on behalf of the HRCs - MissingSockpuppet - who,despite a rather more pomo view of the world than reality will support, seems to be able to actually argue the pro-HRC case with a bit of law and a sense of the manner in which the HRC mind thinks. This is certainly a change from the blustering of BCL and Ti-Guy.
Unfortunately for the Missing Sockpuppet, he does not actually understand the origin of his blog title. he states,
And finally, it is an example of a derogatory epithet created by neoconservative bloggers to ridicule the efforts of select minority communities in their quest for social justice. missing sockpuppet
In fact, and I may well have been the coiner or close to the coiner of the term as it applies to the 3 Islamic losers who are 0/2 before the HRC, “sockpuppet” in the blogging world, was most famously used to deride Glenn Greenwald’s habit of using fake names under which to post comments defending and praising Glen Greenwald.
I, and several other bloggers have also used it to attack the CHRC’s hate crimes investigators’ habit of using pseudonyms for their membership and participation in various hate sites.
Now, when the 3 Islamic losers (And what did they do with Denny?) claimed they were filing hate speech complaints against Mcleans and it turned out in fact that it was the CIC under the direction of Dr. Mohamed Elmasry - noted advocate of killing Jewish civilians in Israel - which was the complainant it was apparent that the 3 Islamic losers were, indeed, sockpuppets. That is, they were speaking lines dictated by someone else.
So, welcome to the blogosphere Missing. Have fun, try not to get sued and try not to sue anybody.
You will remember that the CHRT did not have a court reporter present during the proceeding in which the conduct of the CHRC investigators was under scrutiny. Which meant that the respondent and various commentators have been relying on hand transcribed versions of the hearing. Well, Ezra now has a beautiful transcript pf Warman v Lemire which was made available to a journalist by a CHRC official who was trying to spin the story.
Now, contrary to Ezra’s account the used of a digital recording which is then transcribed was not a special, for this hearing only, matter. Rather it is supposed to become routine for CHRT hearings.
What is outrageous is that the CHRC apparently got the transcript and then did not tell anyone it was available.
This is simply corrupt. For the government to make a transcript and then use it for public relations purposes rather than making it available to the parties is utterly unfair. As Ezra points out, if a prosecutor in a real court tried a stunt like this the judge might well toss the case as the conduct is so patently unfair.
This is one more reason that the full circumstances, procedures and personnel surrounding s. 13 investigations must be investigated by a judge. It is not just the Lemire matter any longer: there is a culture of corruption and procedural perversion at the CHRC which has tainted every one of its s. 13 prosecutions. Each needs to be re-opened.
The Lying Jackal reports that the Muslim-3 are planning on holding a news conference to make an offer to Macleans to settle the Human Rights complaint.
I suspect the prospect of another few months of public mockery followed by an unprecedented loss either before the Commissions or in the Courts was more than a little unappetizing. Plus, and I have no way of proving this, the steady erosion of support for the CHRC and the exposure of the CHRC’s wanton disregard for proper investigative methods and procedure, is taking its toll.
A couple of points - Toronto area bloggers, if possible - should try to cover the press conference. Macleans should be looking for an apology and costs from these sock puppets. Remember, the law students are not, in fact, the complainants here. The CIC is and it has the money to pay the significant expenses Macleans has incurred to date.
This is yet another piece of evidence we’re winning.
Update 2:Deborah Gyapong comes up with a reasonable negotiating position: Unconditional surrender with reparations and an apology.
Update 3: Over in “>Lying Jackal land commentors are handing Warren his head on a platter. He’s banned me from his comments - the truth hurts - but the unbanned are going to town. Now, remember, use that link. Page after page of “Lying Jackal” referrals. Has to leave a mark.
Canada’s greenhouse-gas emissions rose 25 per cent between 1990 and 2005, the biggest percentage increase among G8 countries over the same time period, according to new Statistics Canada figures released Tuesday. cbc
Hmmm…the Conservatives were wiped out in 1988 1993 and did not get back into power until 2006…The Liberals signed Kyoto and hired Rick Mercer as a substitute for an actual program to comply with the terms of the treaty they signed.
I know, let’s blame the CPC.
(Not that there is any reason to actually worry about greenhouse gases in the first place as the science and models are either wrong or unproven; but one might remember that M. Dion was Minister for the environment from 2004-2006 and in Cabinet from 1996 onward. Not terrifically effective was he.)
Gillis quotes the testimony of Dean Stacey in the Lemire matter:
Then there’s the matter of best practices, which at the commission appear pretty far from best. In testimony at the Lemire hearing, Steacy admitted there were no guidelines telling what he could and couldn’t do while surfing, no rules governing how he identified himself, no boss putting his covert musings on hate sites to any sort of ethical smell test. When asked about adopting online pseudonyms, his response could have been mistaken for a mantra for the whole investigative operation: “No one told me I couldn’t do it.” macleans
In a sense this idea that if no one told the CHRC investigators they couldn’t do something they were free to do whatever they wanted frames the entire CHRC/Warman matter. It is the Cheka Charter especially when coupled with an “informal” proceedure and an in house complainant.
Bouquets of Gray puts up a rather interesting dissection of the claim that Warman was the only possible author of the “Anne Cools” message. His conclusion is that literally any Rogers’ subscriber is just as likely - on the tech - to have been the poster. It is something to be considered in the framing of the the responses to the Warman libel actions.
However, as the Gillis piece makes clear, in the overall context of the unsupervised, investigative excesses of the CHRC, this sort of “bait post” makes a certain perverse sense. The objective was to entrap the “haters” by whatever means possible so long as no one had been told expressly not to do something. Warman’s Statement of Claim has been framed very narrowly, he seeks limited damages in the hope of using an expedited procedure to avoid Discovery.
The challenge for the defendants is to expand the scope of the issues before the Court. Critically, the practices and proceedures (such as they were) of the CHRC need to be exposed to scruitiny.
And, once again, in all of this we have to ask - where is the CPC, where’s Harper? I don’t contribute to the CPC but, if I did, I would switch my contributions to the PayPal accounts of Kathy, Kate, Ezra and Free Dominion.
Update: Buckets of Gray is being cited as having put paid to the tech side of the anti-Warman case. Has he? Here is what I posted on his blog as a complete non-tech guy. perhaps my tech friends can set me straight here.
You raise good point Buckets. As I pointed out in my post linking you the Statement(s) of Defense are going to have to come to grips with what you are saying.
However, I am a bit confused about one matter: cache servers, as I understand it, store the pages users access “locally” so that the lag time can be reduced.
Thus, if I commonly go to SDA or the Lying Jackal Kinsella’s pages a copy of those pages will be stored on the cache server.
What I don’t quite get is how, if my understanding is correct, the cache status of the server matters one way or another in terms of Warman’s alleged activities.
Assume for the moment that Warman had (as we know he had) accessed Stormfront before. The cache server saved the page. The alleged Warman computer was hot to post a little screed on Senator Cools and called the page. It got the page from the cache server and then posted the filth. Which was passed on from the cache server.
Nothing abnormal about the tech. And nothing in the least bit exculpatory as to the post.
Mr. Warman called the McGill Tribune today, incredulous that this had been leaked to the blogosphere and posted in my personal blog (despite the fact that he CCed me on the original e-mail). b. tau
The thing about shining a light in dark corners is that the cockroachs don’t like it.
The lawyer for the CHRC briefly asks the witness about Tab 17 document evidence and is sloughed off. The witness also happens to be the person who laid the claim against you. The tribunal “judge” goes along with the witness’ answer to the effect of “I’ll discusss that later”. The day goes by and this isssue fades into the background through the proceedings. The lawyer for the CHRC and the witness never return to this subject matter. Nor does the “judge”.
On the second day, the evidence is changed. A new document is inserted in place of an existing one. Tab 17. You have no knowledge that a document was produced just a couple days prior, at the Commission’s office, nor that it was produced by the complainant himself, with full cooperation from the Commission. blazing catfur
Watching people galvanize around the free speech issue brought up by the CHRC’s trampling of free speech in Canada I have been struck by the consensus which many bloggers have displayed. While we have no time for neo-Nazi action, we have a great deal of time for Canadian citizens right to speak. And we have no time at all for the slimeball tactics of the CHRC’s counsel, investigators or Tribunal.
The people responding to this - while they have been characterized as Concervatives - are, in fact, conservatives; more accurately classical liberals.
Now, I wonder if we might find agreement on other issues which the CPC is too scared to address.
anti-Kyoto
mass immigration
fiscal responsibility
pro-Israel
pro-Canadian Forces
anti-additional funding for bilingualism
anti-regulation
pro-small government
I suspect there are some metrics I’ve left out. The point being that we tend to be people willing to challenge the validity of the so called Canadian consensus.
And then I wondered how we might best influence the various political parties in the direction we would like to see the Canadian conversation actually go.
One thought I had would be to rate MPs - not parties - on their relative commitment to a set of goals. We would define the goals and then build a database of MP ratings.
It would take a bit of work to come up with the ratings and the metrics used to calculate the ratings. However, I suspect it would be entirely doable. Basically we would score - riding by riding - the candidates and members based on what they have actually said.
Call it “The League of Real Canadian Voters” and endorse candidates in every riding in Canada. Given the metrics I think are important a LRCV endorsement would likely be the kiss of death in TO and Vancouver. But, in the rest of the country it might be worth several hundred votes.
So, what do you think? Good idea, pernicious nonsense and the CPC will see us through? Do comment.
I’ll keep voting Left because I can’t imagine voting Tory, and the Lib Dems are a wasted vote. But I know that, in the end, I am voting for a double-talking mealy-mouthed enemy of everything they purport to be promoting— equality, opportunity, fairness. They are the living embodiment of Lao Tse’s greatest truth and the source of the white working classes tragedy— that “goody goodies are the enemies of virtue.” the ambler
Indeed. Go read the whole thing. KMG needs to post more.
“Notably, the hate blogs - Brock, Currie, Shaidle, McMillan et al. - have all suspended their anti-aboriginal animus long enough to rally to Ahenakew’s defence, and his “right” to call Jews a “disease.” warren kinsella
If I was the sort of person who sued bloggers I’d sue over this bit of the liar’s Kinsella’s spew. Frankly I think, and I swear I have written but a site search is not showing it, that David Ahenakew is a vile piece of shit who the Order of Canada and the Federation of Saskatchewan Indian Nations should shun in the true Amish sense of the term.
But the liar Kinsella never let the facts get in the way of a good old fashioned smear….
This is a good example of an appropriate use of anti-hate speech laws. Ahenakew was over the top. While I would hope that the judge in the case will accept his public mortification as ample punishment. The point of the anti-hate speech laws should be to call people to order not to put them in jail. 6/11/2003
Gee, here’s an idea, why not strip Ahenakew of his Order of Canada on the basis that he is a revolting anti-Semite and a disgrace to the Order….4/6/2005
While I am not a fan of hate crimes legislation, I do think that removing an honour is perfectly appropriate when a person behaves dispicably 7/8/2005
So Warren, I don’t actually want to live in the Beaches…all that snow, all those Liberals (and apparently neo-Nazis in the basements ready to pounce on liars) so I will limit myself to the traditional: Fuck You.
I feel better already.
Update: “Can’t find the Currie one, but I did yesterday.” the liar Kinsella I am always torn between thinking Kinsella is delusional and thinking he is malicious. Either way, it is awfully tempting to let a judge decide.
Kate McMillian has been cited as offensive on the floor of the Saskatchewan legislature. The NDP’s knickers are in a twist over this post.
Dear Saskatoon Inner City;
If those of you in the “left behind during an economic boom community” want a grocery store in your neighborhood, the following economic stimuli are guaranteed to produce one a lot more quickly than a government funded “free” dental clinic and housing project:
1. Put the cap back on your used needle and take it to a safe disposal site. Failing that, share it with your friends. It’s a quicker solution to your problem, anyway.
2. Cross your legs.
3. Put down the spray can.
4. BINGO!
And no, I don’t have any change. There’s a McDonalds over on 22nd where the average kid working behind the counter is a 55 year old women. I doubt they’re pushing you out of the job market.
The NDP weenie thinks, “Ms. McMillan’s statements were petty, hurtful, and offensive,”
I note that the NDP weenie did not actually say Kate’s post was, er, false. Most large cities in Canada have an area where some sad, desperate people practice the more extreme forms of self abuse. To the NDP this is a problem which can only be solved by the application of money and more social workers. This manifestly does not work as the number and condition of the homeless and the drug addled increase year by year.
Would Kate’s suggestions work? Well, they would require people to take responsibility for themselves. Which is always hard. But the harsh truth is that where people do not at least try to take that responsibility the outcome is entirely predictable - death.
Apparently even pointing this out is too much for the NDP. Which, no doubt, explains their ongoing failure to come up with more than platitudes to deal with the very real problems of inner city poverty.
Ezra has tracked Lucy Warman to JTF2 his sinecure at the Department of Defence where he rejoices in the title of Director of Special Grievances – Enquiries and Investigations. Ezra wants to know how “special” and invites members at the pointier end of the military to mail in their stories of the exploits of the “bravest man” the liar Kinsella has ever known.
Dawg has gone to some trouble to suggest that it isn’t Islam or the Koran which inspires terrorism - it’s the awful conditions of life many Muslims face. His head, metaphorically, has been handed to him. He does, however, note that it is a small minority of the world’s Muslims who are active terrorists and likely less than a majority who support those terrorists. I might quibble with that but I suspect the numbers are rather higher for today’s text:
The case of Mehdi Kazemi has been reported with a degree of sympathy by the liberal British media which, by and large, doesn’t like seeing people hanged. The BBC found itself in a bit of a bind because, while it wholly approves of sodomy, it approves of Islam too. Both are on its Category One list of stuff which deserves to be treated nicely in news reports. And so we were told that while Iran was a ‘conservative’ society which did indeed exhibit the occasional bout of homophobia, it wasn’t necessarily the case that Kazemi would be strung up as soon as he got back. If he pretended not to be gay, he’d probably be OK for a while. At other times we have been informed that Islam is a peaceable religion which has nothing at all against homosexuals, it’s just the macho, patriarchal culture which prevails in that part of the world. This little nugget of voluntary self-delusion is true only if you accept that Islam itself is a product of the macho, patriarchal culture in that part of the world. There are 57 member countries of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, of which 41 sign up to state persecution of homosexuals and ten put them to death. ron liddle, the spectator
And, well, yes, Fred Phelps and his tens of adherents and Jerry Falwell and the Pope are not too keen on homosexuals. However, and here is my point, so far as I am aware, no Western nation or mainstream Christian communion calls for their execution.
Here is the thing, Dawg, Christianity has come to terms with the Enlightenment. Some wings have embraced Enlightenment values, others have grudgingly accepted the reality of those values without actual embrace. Not so Islam.
So the question I have is whether mainstream, leave aside Wahhabi and Safal variants, Islam is capable of not killing homosexuals or advocating (to use the lefty coinage) for their deaths.
(Note: I have no problem at all with Imams, Pastors and Rabbis condemning homosexuality from their pulpits or in the letters pages of newspapers - they and their adherents have a perfect right to condemn whatever they believe to be sinful…it’s the killing which I want renounced.)
Dr. Dawg has seen the movie and didn’t like the tie in between the Koran and the ongoing Islamic terrorism which Wilders’ film underscores. Dawg drags out the hoary idea that the Bible has blood curdling passages too, so there. Which explains all the headlines we see about Anglicans beheading the infidels and Biblically inspired Amish hostage takings. I don’t have time for a point refutation of Dawg and I doubt it is necessary - the best example he can come up with is Fred Phelps who, one must admit is pretty horrible and has a following which numbers in the tens none of whom, so far as I am aware, has crashed a jet into a building while singing “Onward Christian Soldiers”.
Dr. Dawg and the Liar Kinsella posted a pic they stated was Marc Lemire standing behind Ernst Zundel. Lemire is calling bullshit.
That picture is not me at all. In August 1992, I had never met Ernst Zundel.
In August 1992 I was only 17 years old.
I searched around, and haven’t yet found a picture of me in 1992, but did find one a year later in the summer of 1993. Sadly the red-eye reduction wasn’t working that day freedomsite
Comments gents? Did you properly source the photo?
I have noticed that Marc Lemire tends to be right about stuff like this.
Update: While I think the pictures speak for themselves I have sent an email to Nizkor asking for more information on the Zundel photograph. I’ll report any response.
Update IIKen McVay from nizkor has replied to my query as follows:
Lemire may be right, and I no longer identify the image as his because
of his insistance that it isn’t him.
I haven’t seen Marc for 11 years, so cannot contest his assertion that
it isn’t him.
Not proof either way but nizkor is certainly not standing behind the attribution.
Update III: Dawg graciously withdraws his assertion that Lemire is in the frame with Zundel:
**UPDATE: (March 31) As noted here, Nizkor cannot vouch for the authenticity of the photograph. Obviously, in that case, neither can I. I withdraw, therefore, the assertion that Marc Lemire is pictured in the photograph above. dr. dawg
A gentleman. Now we can, of course, anticipate the liar Kinsella’s retraction….Yeah, right.
Update 03/29: The United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour condemns Fitna - a film she almost certainly has not seen - and calls for “appropriate restrictions” on all forms of freedom of speech. Perhaps the crocodile will eat her last. (emphasis added) ghost of a flea
Ed Driscoll pages me to weigh in on Kathryn’s post below, about Islam overtaking Catholicism in worldwide adherents. But I’m not sure I’ve got anything to say I haven’t already been taken to court over. (my emphasis)I had the bizarre experience earlier today of watching the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation interview a young Muslim about my “flagrant Islamophobia”, as evidence of which he cited my appalling habit of accurately quoting prominent Muslims. mark steyn, the corner
That bastard Steyn….imagine quoting the Islamists. Thank God we have the CHRC to prevent this profanity.
I finally have the comments back to working....sort of. Basically I have to wade through the spam to find the nuggets. I do this a couple of times a day. Sometimes comments are lost. I am working on this. What I need is a Capcha like the coolkids have.
