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July 1st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
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July 1st, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Hey, I said “fuck Canada Day” too but that was only because I didn’t want to have to put on pants. Everybody’s all participatey. Why can’t I stay inside and slouch around in my PJs on a stat holiday and be left in peace?
Er, but seriously, I’m pretty sure that if this guy was a British ex-pat Canadian immigrant who was mouthing off about how we stole this land from the natives that it would not be nearly so newsworthy. I’ve said much worse about this country in the past year myself… but I might be more specific: Fuck merely the 38% of Canadians who voted for the asshole currently running Canada, and their willingness to Rodger the rule of law with a pitchfork. But I can understand how you can get caught up in the 140-character limits and keep things simple.
Werner: What rules was he breaking exactly? I didn’t know it was illegal – yet – to diss your country of citizenship for its shitty human rights record.
July 1st, 2009 at 5:06 pm
But our elites know what’s best for us. Of course they don’t send their children to the schools ours attend or in fact live in the same “transitional” neighborhoods…..
July 1st, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Renee, my bleeding-heart darling, you know that left-wing ideology has its origins in the brain and mental disease of Karl Marx, don’t you?
Anyway, I respectfully suggest you put on your burka and move to the Middle East. Surely, you’ll be much happier there, because those countries don’t violate human rights the way “nasty and evil Canada” does.
Bon voyage, Renee!
July 1st, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Well. Renee, if what you claim is true, you (and Omar) are free to say whatever you want about Canada. I just hope neither of you ever want to apply for government funding (under any government) or run for office anywhere.
The 38% of Canadians you just told to f*** themselves, tend to have very long memories and fabulous internet search skills.
Another significant percentage, are savvy enough to realize that we are privileged to live where we do. While it may have it’s faults, ‘F*** Canada’ or ‘F***’ any significant portion of its population is not a message to which they subscribe.
July 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Renee here’s a wonderful summary of the Canadian Arab Federations contributions to multicult – Among them a ringing endorsement of Greg Feltons jew-baiting opus The Host and the Parasite.
http://www.am770chqr.com/Blogs/TheWorldTonight/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10022789
July 2nd, 2009 at 4:55 am
I think Canada Day is something to celebrate, and I do, although I’m not sure I could defend that proposition in a formal debate. :)
But, except for the expletive, how is what this Arab Canadian said any different from the mewling and puking about Canada that we regularly get from the Right?
Example:
http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/:entry:fivefeet-2009-06-30-0000/
July 2nd, 2009 at 5:32 am
Send this twit over the Iran to live, he obviously is dis-satisfied with Canada.
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:54 am
The CHRC wouldn’t touch this guy with a 10ft pole because:
a)He’s Muslim and they get a pass on everything, no matter how bug-nut they act;
b)He’s Muslim, and spouting this kind of seditious shit is him just being a good Muslim, following his faith by calling for the death of the army of infidels (and Jews), especially because these armies are in Dar al Islam;
c)He’s Muslim, and free speech is something he can only exercise in democracies in Dar al Harb, unlike in Dar al Islam;
d)He’s Muslim, and his ideology is the only one who benefits from the safeguarding religious feelings by the CHRC; and
e)Apparently, seditious behaviour, whereby a call to murder fellow Canadian citizens, in uniform or not, is not a crime.
Happy Canada Day.
July 2nd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
But Dawg – celebrate it in your own way. If you, like Renee want to slouch in your PJs and watch “Gilligan’s Island” reruns do so. Or if it is “...a willingness to Rodger the rule of law with a pitchfork.” – read the various CHRT transcripts.
BUT, do not use the opportunity others cherish to say “F**K Canada Day*** Especially if you are a group with an attitude that you should be funded. This will really help with that too.
It is not a Left/Right issue but a Right/Wrong issue and political discourse/free elections etc is the fabric of democracy.
Otherwise such Ethnic/special interest/racial groups should truly return to their homeland and celebrate the freedom they left. :)
July 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
You’re missing the point. I think.
What do you think the person at my link was saying—in her own way?
Or are you claiming that a Canadian citizen born here can say the equivalent of “F**k Canada,” but not a naturalized citizen?
July 2nd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Not missing the point at all Dawg.
And Yes – their is a greater onus on immigrants to prove their loyalty and refrain from such inflamatory remarks and actions.
Kathy’s link was in no way saying “F**K Canada” nor bomb them all to hell.
Interesting the CJC is appealing to the Crown though – and not to the CHRC. Will Harry also appeal the inflamatory remarks? Steyn has some rather intresting observations on it all.
Your community service will be watching reruns of Sgt. Preston and Due South or perhaps something like SWAT Team videos..
July 2nd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Um, Werner… yeah, whatever.
Arnie: I wasn’t defending the CAF (I also don’t believe that Canada’s/Britain’s treatment of Canada’s native peoples was genocide, in that it wasn’t deliberate, although the effect was the same.) I was simply asking if a non-Arab or at the very least a non-immigrant, (like Shaidle) saying the same thing (ahem) would be newsworthy in the right-o-sphere. I was also hoping to illustrate that lipping off is just that: lipping off. Panties: bunched.
Jan: Er, well, I already stood for office, so I don’t think I need to worry there (and, well, you RUN for office in the US, you STAND for office in Canada) ... and also, he said “Fuck Canada Day,” not “Fuck Canada.”
July 2nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Well Renee – let us just hope then their compatriots don’t say “F**K Bastille Day – coming up on 14 July as tolerance has pretty much run out.
July 2nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
The issue here is the Canadian Arab Federation not Omar, their history speaks for itself.
July 2nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Well this Arab guy is just as much an occupier as everyone else who is not a native American. One wonders how the Arabs would have treated Native Americans if they had occupied North America instead of the Europeans !.
July 2nd, 2009 at 6:20 pm
It’s a good question stephen. The East African slave trade might be a good place to find answers.
July 2nd, 2009 at 6:25 pm
The CJC? I think you’ve conflated two separate things. Aren’t you thinking of this Hossein character? Surely not the benighted Omar Shaban.
But you’ve opened up a wider issue. Why is it that you conservatives are so eager to create different classes of citizenship? Seems to me a citizen is a citizen. If some want to say “F**k Canada Day,” then they can do so—while the rest of us are celebrating in our various ways. Why the hell should their birthplace determine what they are permitted or not permitted to say?
You folks are just a bundle of contradictions.
July 3rd, 2009 at 4:14 am
And, as it turns out, Shaban is Canadian-born, and was speaking only for himself.
July 3rd, 2009 at 4:50 am
I think that the comment raises a core issue, which is why it offends so many. If Israel is to be viewed per se as a colonial entity, how is Canada (and all other countries of both Americas colonized by Europeans) any different? It seems to me that a comprehensive philosophical/moral debate concerning Israel/Palestine cannot take place without discussing how it the same as /different than the Americas, the partition of India to create a Muslimn Pakistan, among other things. If Israel is illegitimate as a colonial enterprise, how does Canada garner a different characterization?
July 3rd, 2009 at 8:49 am
Now Dawg, Shaban was indeed born in Canada in 1986 but was raised in Lebanon. It is not clear when he returned to Vancouver (perhaps after Canada invested $$$Millions in rescuing Canadian/Lebanese from the conflict (most of whom returned and few of whom ever paid a penny into the Canadian tax coffers).
But certainly it must be considered a case of “Citizenship of convenience Tourism” = the benefits boss, the benefits etc. Any bets he is receiving student benefits and welfare assistance? Coming from abroad – he most likely would qualify higher as a foreigner than a ordinary citizen and ahead of aboriginals he claims to understand.
And Marky M – Canada and most EU Countries can be considered “Colonial” at one time in their past and indeed “genocides” were committed under their colonial administration. For dear Shaban (love his pic – thought that he would have integrated by now and wear a ball cap backwards)) to have such insight without discussing the role of other active actors in the Middle East seems somewhat disingenuous.
July 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
Yes Dawg – I do get confused when I connect the dots. There is Khaled Mouammar, Hossein Kadhr and now Shaban. Few more before the courts I cannot talk about.
What do they all have in common other than none of their cases getting discussed on your site. Or the Jackels either :)
Even BCL tries halfheartedly – but I fully expect all the details of the past, present and future lawsuits, 13.1 complaints etc against the above and CAF to be revealed by the ARA and ARC as well as the efforts of whom Steyn referred to “The Bravest Canadian Award Winner…ever”
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:13 am
Re-submiited to correct typos:
Now that I’ve read everything, it needs to be said that we’re talking about an individual Facebook status update written in an individual’s personal capacity and not as an officer of the CAF. Why is this being ignored here? Do you really want a result where employers and other organizations are accountable for what their constituent individuals write in their personal capacity? And, if so, do you not see that individuals will end up having their individual freedoms regulated and controlled by employers, etc?
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 am
You’re getting flustered. I have no idea who “Hossein Kadhr” is, but if you mean Salman Hossein, I have indeed discussed his case. You should try paying more attention.
Which Khadr are you referring to? If it’s Omar, I’ve covered that case exhaustively.
And I’ve commented about Mouammar, too. I note that the freedom of speech you guys keep honking about goes out the window when it’s Muslims instead of Nazis who are doing the speaking. Go figure.
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 am
Actually Dawg I am delighted whenever members of the Executives of organizations like CAF speak their minds in public. This is a free speech issue and, just like basement Nazis and fundamentalists preachers, loony Arabs should have a perfect right to spread whatever odious messages they wish right up to the point of incitement.
(And we should be careful with respect to CAF: while some members of CAF are Muslims, some – apparently including its vile President – are Christians.)
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
The Ali Mallah’s of the world are a gift Dawg, I would never deny them the right to speak freely.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
No Dawg,
I am not flustered – just having fun as I watch the half-hearted attempts by various groups and reps of the Left kinda stagger/wade in one this. Yes, this AM, you did bring your “F**k” but it was a bit late and pretty weak. Even Mordecai challenged you.
Now the ARA/ARC (must be written by Randy Richmond) state that they are going to be keeping an eye on that Hossain fella.
“We’ve been accused of focusing on white supremecists only and ignoring people like Hossain. That’s not entirely accurate. That said, hate is hate whether expressed by Bill Noble, Paul Fromm, David Ahenekew, or Salam Hossain. [(They could have added that of a BB rep and CHRC investigators but I don’t want to write their press releases as well)].
We’re going to keep an eye on this and see what happens. Stay tuned..” :)
Of course, only after they broadcast more news of “Lucy”. Their reaction is about as strong as Farber’s to the Crown. Like “IGNORE” this letter.
I am taking a lot of glee in this as it exposes the CHRCs and their intervenors and other friends- for the real bullies they are and the abuses and biases they have displayed. If one looks at the pitiful list of individuals (in the NP) that got convicted and spent jail time – 1 even for listening to ET space messages his wife’s tinfoil rollers received – all were of greater, equal but obviously less importance than Hossain.
Jenny QC must be be conferring right now with Barbie Hall as to what do do next! They obviously have given their “Hate Crime” flying squad a list of potential Blogger targets that did not include “Facebook”, the CAF and others along the dotted line.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:38 am
I note that the freedom of speech you guys keep honking about goes out the window when it’s Muslims instead of Nazis who are doing the speaking. Go figure.
Well Jay beat me to it, but I am perfectly willing to let assholes of whatever persuasion show their true colours, Dawg.
July 3rd, 2009 at 11:57 am
Yup. Flustered.
Yes, this AM, you did bring your “F**k” but it was a bit late and pretty weak. Even Mordecai challenged you.
This is simply incomprehensible.
Here’s Mordy:
I really do believe its Shaban’s position that got him in trouble. Imagine if the same sentiments were expressed for example in the same manner by the head of the Canadian Jewish Congress or B’nai Brith? Don’t you think the reaction would be similar?
Let’s assume that Mordy meant “a member of the Executive of the CJC or B’nai Brith.” And let’s assume, for the sake of parallelism, that the miscreant is promptly fired, and a disclamatory press release is put out on the same day—a national holiday—as the offence.
No, I don’t think the reaction would be remotely similar.
Is anyone seriously suggesting that either CJC or B’nai Brith, and by extension their constituencies, would become the targets here? Unthinkable. And both you and Mordy know it.
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Dawg we’ve raked Bernie and Frankie over the coals for far less.
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Dawg,
You must keep up.
Shaban has stated he was NOT fired from his Executive Position, that he resigned by himself because CAF was not denouncing the treatment of natives/aboriginals.
Interesting as he is in 3rd year studies in “International Relations”. Those BC universities have always had a lefty label. Perhaps this was preparation for his Thesis? CV for the UN Human Rights body in the works?
But Yes Dawg – I agree with you in that neither “...CJC or B’nai Brith, and by extension their constituencies, would become the targets here”? It is unfortunately one of the by-products of political party politics / power = they must not offend special interest groups.
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I don’t think, Dawg, that anyone is suggesting that the CJC or B’nai Brith would become targets largely because they are not stupid or hateful enough to put out this sort of clap trap or have people on their Executives who are so incontinent.
If, however, these organizations were unfortunate enough to have such a person and that person said such a thing then of course they would be targetted with exactly the scorn so rightfully heaped on CAF.
And Dawg, I think you will agree that we speechies have been unstinting in our criticisms of Farber’s support of the CHRC and Lucy. We don’t give passes to groups which want to take away our section 2 rights or who give awards to people who practice “maximum disruption”.
July 3rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Shaban has stated he was NOT fired from his Executive Position, that he resigned by himself
Aw, come on. Wanna buy a bridge?
Jay:
Let’s not mix issues. Going after an organization for what it does institutionally is not the same thing as going after it because a fool on the executive was rude and arrogant, said dumb things and was promptly booted for it. Apples. Oranges.
This quickly became all about the CAF. And yet, in this instance, the CAF did all the right things. And within 24 hours!
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
As I’m posting at Dawg;s place:
Here is a link to Shaban’s blog. It seems pretty clear where Shaban stands: just as Israel is Occupied Palestine, Canada is Occupied Canada. I don’t think you can extrapolate from him to the CAF, but I’m glad he has introduced the parallel into the discussion, as it has been long overdue.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
The CAF had no choice Dawg, and Ali Mallah CAF VP isn’t even bothering to disown Shaban’s views in this paranoid screed : “I would not dignify someone like Tarek Fatah with any respond about his lies and ill spirited rush to please his masters”. He goes on at length about “Western Government & Media Conspiracies”, while pleading the case for Hamas and Ahmadinejad.
http://muslimlookout.org/2009/07/02/on-arab-canadians-and-canada-day/
I get a kick out of the disclaimer he added: “Above are my own personal views and do not reflect CAF and or any other group that I am associated with.”
Sure Ali, that’s the ticket.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Now Dawg – you wouldn’t deny his authenticity would you? Bridge ok as long as he doesn’t want to cross the International Peace Bridge.
From the NP:
“Mr. Shaban’s online commentary came at a particularly bad time for the CAF, an umbrella organization that represents 40 Arab groups. In April, the group lost nearly $2-million in federal funding after its president referred to Jason Kenney, the Immigration Minister, as a “professional whore” for his support of Israel. In his blog post, Mr. Shaban fired back at the CAF’s characterization of his departure. “I resigned from CAF because I do not want to be part of an organization that openly refuses to acknowledge Canada’s colonial and shameful history,” he wrote. “When the country I was born in, shames me with its colonial mindset, I refuse to celebrate it, and will not apologize for refusing to do so,” he went on. “I WILL celebrate Canada Day, only when it is accepted as legitimate by the indigenous people.”
Need I say more?
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Now Marky Mark
“...just as Israel is Occupied Palestine, Canada is Occupied Canada”.”
Well then, so is every other country in the world “occupied” as the history varies and “Titles of Ownership” are far and few between. If I remember correctly, many aboriginal lands were given to them by the British who may have had no right to do so. In the EU, try figuring out who owns Alsace-Lorraine? Then part of Czech is occupied too?
If so is Possession 9 points of the Law?
But, as a wise man said somewhere on some blog, article…today “No free society has the right to dictate history”.
July 3rd, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Marky, that sort of false parallel is ideally suited to Dawgs. Best of all it is false on both sides of the line. In the Canadian case it requires that we accept the notion that there was an is aboriginal claim to the total Canadian land mass which I realize is a truism on the loony left but both ahistorical and contradicted, in most of Canada, by treaty.
In the Israeli case you would have to argue that the Ottoman Empire was illegitimate and that its defeat could not give rise to a Mandate and that, contrary to a great deal of historical evidence, there was some sort of Palestinian nation in place at some point prior to the creation of the state of Israel. (It is indeed rather a stretch to say that there were culturally distinct “Palestinians”. During the Mandate all people living in the British Mandate were considered to have “Palestinian” citizenship regardless of ethnicity or religion.)
But do keep beating that drum.
July 3rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
jay,
When I said that the parallel is long overdue I was trying to say that a central feature of the argument against the legitimacy of Israel is flawed. No comparison is perfect, but if Israel is illegitimate on the basis that it is a colonial enterprise, how are Canada and most other countries of the “New World” different? This is why I said at Dawg’s place that the guy at the centre of the storm committed a gaffe that embarrassed his organization vis a vis the Israel/Palestine issue (as well as insulted most Canadians with the content of the f*** Canada Day Facebook post).
When you think of it what he said shouldn’t be all that controversial. All he is saying is that just as there are movements to apologize for slavery and for other misdeeds of prior generations, the founding of modern Canada as the union of two European peoples should be acknowledged as a disaster for the prior majority First Nations of the same land.
July 4th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Excellent discussion here on the F**k Canada Day” incident. But I think everyone is getting diverted by red herrings here, which was Omar Shaban’s intent, presumably. The “I won’t say happy Canada Day until all indigenous people do” angle is just a convenient excuse for Shaban to curse this country on Canada Day since there was no particular burning issue facing CAF this week. It’s linking issues of pretty thin relevance as cover for general anti-Western feelings.
I also discussed this issue on my blog in the post, Mr. F**k Canada Day Goes on the Attack at http://jnarvey.com/2009/07/03/mr-fk-canada-day-goes-on-the-attack/
Cheers.
July 6th, 2009 at 4:13 am
Poor Omar doesn’t know much about his own people’s history, does he. Conquest and subjugation was old Mo’s modus operandi and has been the principal method of spreading the religion of Islam ever since. He needs to explain why 850,000 Jews were driven from their homes in the Arab countries of the Middle East and compare that to the treatment of Canada’s indigenous people. Otherwise, he’s a fine one to talk.